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Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:22 pm to SabiDojo
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A huge part of the problem is that universities have raised tuition to that make a healthy roi almost impossible. We have allowed universities to grossly exaggerate their value in the workplace and it's only getting worse.
This.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:24 pm to Hawkeye95
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I disagree they have nobody to blame but themselves. They can blame their parents, higher education institutions and the gov't.
parents telling their children to go to college no matter what, which is unrealistic
Higher education institutions for flat out lying about career prospects
And the gov't for subsidizing schooling inefficiently.
I'd add businesses for only valuing specific knowledge, and not just educated people. I'm sorry, but outside of a few very specific degrees, a degree should be sufficient entry into entry level jobs. That's why they are entry level.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:33 pm to Forkbeard3777
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She better stay down there permanently then. That interest on the loan should still be accruing.
I doubt she was able to obtain $200k worth of loans without a cosigner. as soon as she stops paying, her parents are on the hook.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:34 pm to Jcorye1
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Yeah, I research the hell out of companies before I interview.
The funny thing is my company is AMAZING. What would be ideal is having the time off to spend a day or two in the job as a "test run". There's no way I could have known I'd be paid to assist someone with their side hobby without test driving the job.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:34 pm to Freauxzen
Many companies don't hire "entry-level" people without 2-5 years of experience. From what I experienced, 100% of them bitched about not having people to hire. Out of that 100%, 95% of them wouldn't hire an entry-level person without 2-5 years of experience. I chewed one company owner out about that in an interview. We dealt with him many times during school, and he complained every time. After we graduated (I had a legit internship), he wouldn't hire anyone
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:41 pm to Hammertime
Yep. I am constantly looking at job postings, and they want experience for $10/hour crap.
In my industry, it is a special kind of funny. You are not getting a job in communications/marketing without experience.. BUT nobody wants to pay more than entry-level pay for those jobs. Especially in south LA. Many companies are run by conservative old white men who do not see the value in marketing, so they hire someone and pay them low wages and use them as a secretary as well as some marketing.
The problem is that the people who have the years worth of experience that all these companies want aren't willing to take a job making pennies. So the cycle continues.
In my industry, it is a special kind of funny. You are not getting a job in communications/marketing without experience.. BUT nobody wants to pay more than entry-level pay for those jobs. Especially in south LA. Many companies are run by conservative old white men who do not see the value in marketing, so they hire someone and pay them low wages and use them as a secretary as well as some marketing.
The problem is that the people who have the years worth of experience that all these companies want aren't willing to take a job making pennies. So the cycle continues.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:47 pm to Hammertime
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Many companies don't hire "entry-level" people without 2-5 years of experience.
At least in my field, 5 years in field experience after graduation isn't entry level...
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:50 pm to LouisianaLady
Well....you would probably get a raise if you made better sandwiches and ran some pledge on the furniture from time to time
I think the reason they talk up their positions is to weed out the complete retards that apply
I think the reason they talk up their positions is to weed out the complete retards that apply
quote:Becoming a certified forester is akin to getting your PE. You must work 5 years continuously, take a test, etc
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This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:54 pm to Hammertime
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Many companies don't hire "entry-level" people without 2-5 years of experience. From what I experienced, 100% of them bitched about not having people to hire. Out of that 100%, 95% of them wouldn't hire an entry-level person without 2-5 years of experience. I chewed one company owner out about that in an interview. We dealt with him many times during school, and he complained every time. After we graduated (I had a legit internship), he wouldn't hire anyone
Because they've basically offloaded "Job Training" to colleges, you mix that with the complete misalignment of expectations that Hawkeye is talking about you get the kinds of scenarios where college graduates, even with decent degrees, can't find jobs because they don't have the planets aligned in terms of their experience and degree.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:56 pm to Hammertime
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I think the reason they talk up their positions is to weed out the complete retards that apply
Good point.
I wonder if they realize it means high turnover though. Once the educated, over-qualified person realizes what the job is, they will leave.
What's funny is when I interviewed, I was pre-interviewed by the Controller. And then sent to talk with the CEO. The Controller said "We are looking for a forever person in this position. A lifer. I don't know what it is with young people, but in my day you stay at your job forever. Nowadays they seem to leave their jobs."
She basically made me say I wouldn't leave.
When I went back to talk with the CEO, he said the exact same thing. He even said, "You don't have some boyfriend that is going to marry you and move you to another city, huh?"
Seemed like an odd thing to make someone promise in the interview. Especially once I realized the job could be done by a high schooler.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:56 pm to LouisianaLady
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The funny thing is my company is AMAZING. What would be ideal is having the time off to spend a day or two in the job as a "test run". There's no way I could have known I'd be paid to assist someone with their side hobby without test driving the job.
Good point.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:00 pm to LouisianaLady
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I wonder if they realize it means high turnover though. Once the educated, over-qualified person realizes what the job is, they will leave.
What's funny is when I interviewed, I was pre-interviewed by the Controller. And then sent to talk with the CEO. The Controller said "We are looking for a forever person in this position. A lifer. I don't know what it is with young people, but in my day you stay at your job forever. Nowadays they seem to leave their jobs."
She basically made me say I wouldn't leave.
When I went back to talk with the CEO, he said the exact same thing. He even said, "You don't have some boyfriend that is going to marry you and move you to another city, huh?"
Seemed like an odd thing to make someone promise in the interview. Especially once I realized the job could be done by a high schooler.
Well that's terrifying.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:03 pm to LouisianaLady
quote:So my sandwich comment wasn't too far off base?
He even said, "You don't have some boyfriend that is going to marry you and move you to another city, huh?"
Eta: I can't hate on the old guy for saying that. I've only worked with one woman, and she was a secretary that I only called my hours in to. Honestly, I wouldn't know how it would feel to work alongside a woman. I mean...do you have to talk about her periods? Gossip? shite in the far away bathroom? Always give them praise? Compliment their haircut?
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:05 pm to Freauxzen
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An article for the Atlantic in April 2012 reported that “more than half of America’s recent college graduates are either unemployed or working in a job that doesn’t require a bachelor’s degree.”
It's simple economics. If you flood the market with a product then that product looses value. And if there's one thing the market is flooded with nowadays is young kids with college degrees. Years ago when not every Tom, Dick & Hairy went to college, a degree held a lot more value than it does today. Not saying it's right or it's fair, but it is what it is.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:08 pm to Freauxzen
I'm glad i have a fallback job if i can't immediately get a job related to my major.
Not to mention it pays very well.
Not to mention it pays very well.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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It's simple economics. If you flood the market with a product then that product looses value. And if there's one thing the market is flooded with nowadays is young kids with college degrees. Years ago when not every Tom, Dick & Hairy went to college, a degree held a lot more value than it does today. Not saying it's right or it's fair, but it is what it is.
But it's weird that a common complaint is "We can't find the person with the right skill-set/knowledge." That is a popular response.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:13 pm to logjamming
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I doubt she was able to obtain $200k worth of loans without a cosigner. as soon as she stops paying, her parents are on the hook.
Not the case. A graduate school student with little more than a few signatures could easily reach this amount after 3 years.
As for "getting rocked," with programs like IBR and PAYE forgiveness, you could almost make the case that its a viable route to go if you do well enough to land a high paying job while carrying the high debt. Sure, you will pay a pretty penny over time, but your effective interest rate will be quite low compared to the 7% rates on grad loans.
With inflation and forgiveness after 20 or 25 years depending on program, paying a fraction of what your payments would have been, then paying the income tax on the forgiven amount (now dubbed the "Tax Bomb") you will minimize the damage.
There's a reason legislation is coming in to stop this or limit forgiveness. Plenty of articles showing how these balances are skyrocketing.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:20 pm to Freauxzen
I told the owner of that company, "How the frick do you expect to get experienced people if none of you mother frickers are willing to train anybody?". I think they've had people in some positions for a long time, and expect someone else to take right over without any type of training, and for much less pay.
I couldn't even find a job with a very specialized, in demand degree because companies didn't want to train people, and didn't want to pay people a decent salary. I had four or five offers, but the pay was so low that I immediately passed. I mean, you want me to be directly in charge of 50-100 people at all times dealing with tens of millions of dollars and pay me under $30k? I don't think so chief. I got paid more without a degree.
I couldn't even find a job with a very specialized, in demand degree because companies didn't want to train people, and didn't want to pay people a decent salary. I had four or five offers, but the pay was so low that I immediately passed. I mean, you want me to be directly in charge of 50-100 people at all times dealing with tens of millions of dollars and pay me under $30k? I don't think so chief. I got paid more without a degree.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:24 pm to Freauxzen
A trained monkey could do my job. A trained monkey could do my boss's job. A trained monkey could do my boss's boss's job.
I have to grind this out for another three months and then I AM GONE.
I'm the only one in this position with a degree. I only took the job because the responsibilities were misrepresented in the interview. While I was content to make a third of what I was used to, I am not content to play on my phone for 7.5 hours a day and do the jobs of my coworkers and my superiors while getting zero recognition for it.
I can run any data collection lab in the state (and have done so) without so much as a day of on the job training, and yet here I sit, sharing inflammatory posts with you fine people.
Life goes on, 3 more months.
I have to grind this out for another three months and then I AM GONE.
I'm the only one in this position with a degree. I only took the job because the responsibilities were misrepresented in the interview. While I was content to make a third of what I was used to, I am not content to play on my phone for 7.5 hours a day and do the jobs of my coworkers and my superiors while getting zero recognition for it.
I can run any data collection lab in the state (and have done so) without so much as a day of on the job training, and yet here I sit, sharing inflammatory posts with you fine people.
Life goes on, 3 more months.
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