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re: 50 years ago tonight...the plane crash into the NOLA Airport Hilton
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:23 pm to EastBankTiger
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:23 pm to EastBankTiger
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I'm still amazed that a young baby was pulled alive from that hellish scene.
I found her. Melissa Trahan- Ferrara. There's a quote from her at the memorial in 2012. Amazing.
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:42 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Several of my FIL's family were on that plane. He was supposed to be on it.
Pan AM flight is the one I was thinking about. They were leaving for California to visit relatives.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:42 pm to EastBankTiger
My late father was with the NOFD. He was part of the crash team at the Airport and was on duty that night. Until the day he died, he never could bring himself to talk to me about what he saw that night. I was very young when it happened but even then, it was obvious to me how badly it affected him.
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My dad had been in the Air Force and was quite the aviation/space flight enthusiast. Subsequently, he raised me and my brothers in that same ilk. I knew the names of the Mercury Seven astronauts before I entered Kindergarten.
We grew up in Metairie and my father's idea of entertainment was to bring us to the airport. We would frequently end up sitting on the benches outside the McDonald's at Williams and Vets, eating fries and drinking shakes, while my dad identified the different type aircraft taking off to the north from MSY. It was quality entertainment!
Here's where it gets kind of fricked up...
When that Delta DC-8 crashed into the Hilton, I was about 5-1/2 years old. My brothers were 2 years older and 2 years younger. My father took us out to the crash site.
We never got out of the car and the only thing I can recall recognizing was the tail of the plane at one end of a giant incinerated area, but it was sobering. The French fries didn't taste as good that day. I guess my dad had seen enough burned out hulks that it didn't bother him.
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My dad had been in the Air Force and was quite the aviation/space flight enthusiast. Subsequently, he raised me and my brothers in that same ilk. I knew the names of the Mercury Seven astronauts before I entered Kindergarten.
We grew up in Metairie and my father's idea of entertainment was to bring us to the airport. We would frequently end up sitting on the benches outside the McDonald's at Williams and Vets, eating fries and drinking shakes, while my dad identified the different type aircraft taking off to the north from MSY. It was quality entertainment!
Here's where it gets kind of fricked up...
When that Delta DC-8 crashed into the Hilton, I was about 5-1/2 years old. My brothers were 2 years older and 2 years younger. My father took us out to the crash site.
We never got out of the car and the only thing I can recall recognizing was the tail of the plane at one end of a giant incinerated area, but it was sobering. The French fries didn't taste as good that day. I guess my dad had seen enough burned out hulks that it didn't bother him.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:43 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Was it poor regulation older equipment or just inferior equipment and technology? Radar? Detection of downdrafts?
not really, great expansion, old WWII dudes transitioning from props to jets, lots of growing pains, after every accident something is tightened up, in aviation, "there but for the grace of God, go I," could not be a truer statement, we get to Monday morning qb, and learn from the dead
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:46 pm to 777Tiger
777:
Didn't MSY get one of the first radars that could detect microbursts (Doppler?) after the Pan Am accident?
Didn't MSY get one of the first radars that could detect microbursts (Doppler?) after the Pan Am accident?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:48 pm to Mac
quote:Basically right in line with the message that everything is better than the "good ol' days".
Air travel in the 60s sounds like it SUCKED. Just a ho hum 68 "persons" dying only 3 years ago in another plane crash.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:50 pm to White Roach
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Didn't MSY get one of the first radars that could detect microbursts (Doppler?) after the Pan Am accident?
I couldn't say for sure but they're everywhere now, ground based, as well as on the aircraft, and that reminds me, when I was I kid I would see "radar equipped" painted on the sides of a lot of airliners as the industry was expanding
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:52 pm to White Roach
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We never got out of the car and the only thing I can recall recognizing was the tail of the plane at one end of a giant incinerated area, but it was sobering. The French fries didn't taste as good that day. I guess my dad had seen enough burned out hulks that it didn't bother him.
When I first saw the thread, I really didn't have any recollection of the crash. Then I started remembering things. Now, I have vivid memories of how horrid the whole thing was. The story of the girls going to the bathroom and turning on the water to try and save themselves haunted me for months after the crash.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:53 pm to EastBankTiger
That was the year peej collected his first social security check
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:54 pm to RedFoxx
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Right now is the safest stretch of air travel ever. And that's with a lot more commercial aircraft in the sky than back then.
Not if Harrison ford has something to say about it
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:58 pm to Allyn McKeen
The story of the girls going to the bathroom and turning on the water to try and save themselves haunted me for months after the crash.
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That's a pretty awful image to even read about, much less have to see. It makes you feel for the recovery workers. I don't recall ever having heard that before I read the article in the link today.
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That's a pretty awful image to even read about, much less have to see. It makes you feel for the recovery workers. I don't recall ever having heard that before I read the article in the link today.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:52 pm to Allyn McKeen
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The story of the girls going to the bathroom and turning on the water to try and save themselves haunted me for months after the crash.
Somehow, I wasn't aware of that until years after the fact. When I first became aware of it, I realized that's what likely affected my pops so badly. I can't begin to imagine how I'd handle that if I was there.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:04 pm to EastBankTiger
I was reading a list of crashes by date...in the 50s and 60s there were several per month. Even though statistically the odds were low to crash, can't imagine seeing a report of a crash per week and still flying much.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:21 pm to 777Tiger
777tiger- you have my dream job, I hope you still enjoy it. Almost went to embry riddle or la tech, but then didn't. I occasionally regret that.
I was 6 when the panam crash happened. Remember watching it on the news.
Everyone should read the Nola link a page back about the lake pontchartrain crash. Good story and comments at the bottom by family of some of those lost.
I was 6 when the panam crash happened. Remember watching it on the news.
Everyone should read the Nola link a page back about the lake pontchartrain crash. Good story and comments at the bottom by family of some of those lost.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:36 pm to RedFoxx
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Mad Men used an actual crash, American Airlines flight 1. Crashed into Jamaica Bay right after departing Idlewild (now JFK).
Was that flight enroute to NOLA? I definitely remember something about New Orleans? Complete Mad Men geek here so I was paying attention, but may have mis remembered.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:06 pm to BrotherEsau
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Everyone should read the Nola link a page back about the lake pontchartrain crash. Good story and comments at the bottom by family of some of those lost.
One of the passengers on that flight was Joan Spaulding. She graduated from Newcombe a year earlier and was editor of the Hullabaloo.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:08 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Was that flight enroute to NOLA? I definitely remember something about New Orleans? Complete Mad Men geek here so I was paying attention, but may have mis remembered.
Wiki says Los Angeles.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:57 pm to 777Tiger
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say for sure but they're everywhere now, ground based, as well as on the aircraft, an
The Dallas crash got the dopplers at all the major airports I think. Kenner made folks think that taking off when the storm hits may not be a good idea.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:58 pm to MetTiger
My close relative was a Delta employee and was at the crash site within 5 minutes that night. That Delta crew was on an FAA check flight. He took of to the west and was circling back to land south to north. The FAA pilot pulled back 2 engines on the same side while in a banked turn during the final approach. To my knowledge, no flight crew had/has ever been put in that situation. I later saw where his wing tip cut a house south of the airport in half, then put a groove in the street and destroyed the house directly across the street. Cartwheeled into the back of the Hilton hotel , which is local where the Hilton is now.
Accident description
Last updated: 30 March 2017
Status: Final
Date: Thursday 30 March 1967
Time: 00:50
Type: Silhouette image of generic DC85 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Douglas DC-8-51
Operator: Delta Air Lines
Registration: N802E
C/n / msn: 45409/19
First flight: 1959
Total airframe hrs: 23391
Engines: 4 Pratt & Whitney JT3D-1
Crew: Fatalities: 6 / Occupants: 6
Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 0
Total: Fatalities: 6 / Occupants: 6
Ground casualties: Fatalities: 13
Airplane damage: Damaged beyond repair
Location: New Orleans, LA ( United States of America)
Phase: Approach (APR)
Nature: Training
Departure airport: New Orleans International Airport, LA (MSY/KMSY), United States of America
Destination airport: New Orleans International Airport, LA (MSY/KMSY), United States of America
Flightnumber: DL9877
Narrative:
Delta Air Lines DC-8-51 N802E was scheduled as Flight 9877, to provide crew training for a captain-trainee and a flight engineer-trainee. In addition the flight engineer-instructor was being given a routine proficiency check.
At 23:14 a weather briefing was given to the instructor pilot, indicating, "... the only significant weather was a restriction in visibility which was expected to reduce to about two miles in fog and smoke near 0600...".
The flight departed the ramp at 00:40 with the captain-trainee in the left seat and the check captain in the right seat. At 00:43 the crew advised the tower they were ready for takeoff and would "...like to circle and land on one (runway 1)." The tower controller then cleared them as requested. The aircraft was observed to make what appeared to be a normal takeoff and departure. At 00:47 the crew reported on base leg for runway 1, and the controller cleared the flight to land. A subsequent discussion revealed that they would execute a simulated two-engine out approach, execute a full stop landing and then takeoff on runway 19.
The tower controller observed Flight 9877 in a shallow left turn on what appeared to be a normal final approach. The degree of bank increased to approximately 60 degrees or greater when the aircraft hit the power lines approximately 2,300 feet short and 1,100 feet west of the runway threshold. The DC-8 crashed into a residential area, destroying several homes and a motel complex.
Probable Cause:
PROBABLE CAUSE: "Improper supervision by the instructor, and the improper use of flight and power controls by both instructor and the Captain-trainee during a simulated two-engine out landing approach, which resulted in a loss of control."
Classification:
Simulated engine failure
Loss of control
Sources:
Official accident investigation report
cover
investigating agency: National Transport Safety Bureau (NTSB) - United States of America
report status: Final
report number: NTSB File 1-0003
report released: 20 December 1967
duration of investigation: 265 days (9 months)
download report: Delta Air Lines, Inc., DC-8, N802E, Kenner, Louisiana, March 30, 1967 (NTSB File 1-0003)
Accident description
Last updated: 30 March 2017
Status: Final
Date: Thursday 30 March 1967
Time: 00:50
Type: Silhouette image of generic DC85 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Douglas DC-8-51
Operator: Delta Air Lines
Registration: N802E
C/n / msn: 45409/19
First flight: 1959
Total airframe hrs: 23391
Engines: 4 Pratt & Whitney JT3D-1
Crew: Fatalities: 6 / Occupants: 6
Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 0
Total: Fatalities: 6 / Occupants: 6
Ground casualties: Fatalities: 13
Airplane damage: Damaged beyond repair
Location: New Orleans, LA ( United States of America)
Phase: Approach (APR)
Nature: Training
Departure airport: New Orleans International Airport, LA (MSY/KMSY), United States of America
Destination airport: New Orleans International Airport, LA (MSY/KMSY), United States of America
Flightnumber: DL9877
Narrative:
Delta Air Lines DC-8-51 N802E was scheduled as Flight 9877, to provide crew training for a captain-trainee and a flight engineer-trainee. In addition the flight engineer-instructor was being given a routine proficiency check.
At 23:14 a weather briefing was given to the instructor pilot, indicating, "... the only significant weather was a restriction in visibility which was expected to reduce to about two miles in fog and smoke near 0600...".
The flight departed the ramp at 00:40 with the captain-trainee in the left seat and the check captain in the right seat. At 00:43 the crew advised the tower they were ready for takeoff and would "...like to circle and land on one (runway 1)." The tower controller then cleared them as requested. The aircraft was observed to make what appeared to be a normal takeoff and departure. At 00:47 the crew reported on base leg for runway 1, and the controller cleared the flight to land. A subsequent discussion revealed that they would execute a simulated two-engine out approach, execute a full stop landing and then takeoff on runway 19.
The tower controller observed Flight 9877 in a shallow left turn on what appeared to be a normal final approach. The degree of bank increased to approximately 60 degrees or greater when the aircraft hit the power lines approximately 2,300 feet short and 1,100 feet west of the runway threshold. The DC-8 crashed into a residential area, destroying several homes and a motel complex.
Probable Cause:
PROBABLE CAUSE: "Improper supervision by the instructor, and the improper use of flight and power controls by both instructor and the Captain-trainee during a simulated two-engine out landing approach, which resulted in a loss of control."
Classification:
Simulated engine failure
Loss of control
Sources:
Official accident investigation report
cover
investigating agency: National Transport Safety Bureau (NTSB) - United States of America
report status: Final
report number: NTSB File 1-0003
report released: 20 December 1967
duration of investigation: 265 days (9 months)
download report: Delta Air Lines, Inc., DC-8, N802E, Kenner, Louisiana, March 30, 1967 (NTSB File 1-0003)
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:02 pm to holmesbr
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The Dallas crash got the dopplers at all the major airports I think. Kenner made folks think that taking off when the storm hits may not be a good idea.
I want to say the last disaster caused by microburst/downdraft was at Charlotte in the late 1980s or early 1990s.
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