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re: 20k guaranteed or coin flip for 100k?

Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:19 am to
Posted by Wermanium
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:19 am to
I'd take the $20K.
Posted by Miller Lite Fan
Member since May 2015
321 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:20 am to
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I'd take the $20K.
yep and not look back.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:32 am to
ITT: We identify the people who failed math.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
19999 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:33 am to
All I have to do is flip it? Or do I only win on heads?

Flip it either way.

ETA: Just flipped a quarter on my desk and lost 20k.
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 8:36 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84883 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:35 am to
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I'd flip the coin. If you said 20m or 100m, I'd take the 20m. I get the percentages, but 20m is enough for me and all my family to live happily forever. Not sure how the extra 80m would improve that.



Oh it would, but I get your point.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84883 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:36 am to
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ITT: We identify the people who failed math.


Yeah but expected value doesn't take into account the weight of the outcomes to the individual's circumstances.

If you've got a new baby on the way and you're in between jobs, take the $20k and don't think twice.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101919 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:37 am to
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ETA: Just flipped a quarter on my desk and lost 20k.


frick, so did I.
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
11346 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:38 am to
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ITT: We identify the people who failed math.


I'm sure there are one or two here that don't get expected values, but I imagine it is more risk/loss aversion than poor math driving the 20k answers.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:39 am to
I agree.

100% > 50%
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
6795 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:39 am to
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20k cash. Max out an IRA and Could enjoy my last year in college while only working 20 hrs a week instead of 60.


Was going to say that it depends on your life situation and whether the 20K could actually make a difference in ones life at that point in time... I think you summed that up pretty well here in a specific case.
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
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Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:42 am to
I'd flip it...but they call me Mr. Vegas.
Posted by Steadyhands
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Member since May 2016
6795 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:43 am to
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I'll pay someone $100k if these stupid arse "do this or get this amount of money" threads.


If......
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84883 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:44 am to
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I'm sure there are one or two here that don't get expected values, but I imagine it is more risk/loss aversion than poor math driving the 20k answers.




Precisely.

If you changed it to $20k guaranteed or a flip with $15K to heads and $85K to tails, the expected value doesn't change but I'd imagine you'd get nothing but "flip" answers.

Alternatively if you changed it to $20k guarantee or a flip with $200k to heads or you owe $100k on tails, every SOB on this board would take the $20k.

Expected value doesn't tell the whole story.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82030 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:46 am to
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Odds say you flip coin
I disagree. Technically, you're right with the ev being higher with the coin flip, however that's only applicable if you have multiple coin flips. In this scenario the answer obviously depends on someone's specific situation.
I'd take the coin flip.

We had a similar thread going here three or four years ago. It was about deal or no deal:

Two boxes left, one is $1, the other is $1,000,000. How high would the offer have to be for you to take it vs opening the box?

that happened in real life. Dude turned down 400+K. His box had a dollar in it.
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
6795 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:48 am to
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Flip. How about you lose 20,000 of your cash if heads but win $100,000 if tails. Would you do it?


How many times can I play?
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3257 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:49 am to
yep. Cant wait till hunting season starts. Gotta find me an ot baller's wife to get some that sugar momma action. That's my only hope in having a fun senior year
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:49 am to
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Expected value doesn't tell the whole story.


See, I disagree. When you start playing the aversion to risk angle, you screw yourself. You flip the goddamned coin because that's what results in the best overall outcome in the long run. Yes, I understand that there's only one coin flip and the "long run" isn't strictly applicable here.

It doesn't change the fact that flipping the coin is provably the better choice, but emotion has led many people to make the wrong choice.

That, or bad math.
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 8:50 am
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Just flipped a quarter on my desk and lost 20k.
Same.
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
Member since Feb 2008
72598 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:53 am to
I just flipped it, but onto a dresser and I won...Change furniture, guys.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 8:54 am to
I would take the coin.
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