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re: We must accept it, Brees' contract is the true downfall of this team.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:56 pm to moneyg
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:56 pm to moneyg
Looking back at it yes, we would have been better off not resigning Brees. But not resigning him wasn't a real world option at the time. No GM in football, given the situation, would have not resigned him. But also, given our terrible evaluations of free agents, it would have just been more money wasted on player who never gets on the field, or are head cases, or way under perform or all three. OUr terrible evaluation of talent for the drafts doesn't help either. Bad drafts combined with bad free agent signings, combined with hanging on to our own players past there prime(Brees, Colston, Evans), or that never were very talented (Ingram), are our real downfall.
We use to be a team with a lot of talent, much of it in their prime, to a team that is low on talented players.
We use to be a team with a lot of talent, much of it in their prime, to a team that is low on talented players.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 10:01 pm
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:03 pm to boxcar willie
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Looking back at it yes, we would have been better off not resigning Brees.
Still no
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:07 pm to Tiger Nation 84
I swear this board gets worse than the rant when things go bad
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:07 pm to Tiger Nation 84
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Brees' contract is the true downfall of this team
Truth.
It's not 100% of it, but it made the magin for error so small that tDecline was inevitable.
It takes more than one good player to win in the NFL and we have maybe two on offense and none on defense who actually play.
Our handful of average to above average guys are just not enough to be competitive. It doesn't matter how good your QB is if your O-line sucks, receivers suck, RBs are average at best and defense is below average.
The team won't be good again as long as Brees is on it and as long as that contract requires that the best we can surround him with is average and below average players.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:08 pm to GeauxToBed
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It takes more than one good player to win in the NFL and we have maybe two on offense and none on defense who actually play.
None of that has anything to do with Brees' contract
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:14 pm to boxcar willie
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:16 pm to Tiger Nation 84
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We must accept it, Brees' contract is the true downfall of this team.
Dude wanted his big pay day and he got exactly what he wanted, but it all happened at the expense of the entire team. You guys can try and deny it all you want, but in the end it is very true. Without throwing any other QB names out there, why not follow some other greats and take a cut to help get some better talent in to win some games?!
Popular sentiment among some, but it doesn't hold water. There are other shitty signings that fricked up the cap. People use Brees as a scapegoat.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:18 pm to Cap Crunch
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None of that has anything to do with Brees' contract
maybe, maybe not, but it has a lot to do with not being able to turn this around any time soon. Even if we suddenly had people who knew how to evaluate talent, knew how to draft, knew what players to dump and which ones to keep on our roster, and had a good eye for free agent talent, Brees heavy hit along with a lot of other salary cap issues, would make it extremely difficult to turn it around any time soon.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:21 pm to VOR
What do some of you people honestly expect a top of the line QB to make?
For fricks sake 16 million wont even get you Jay Cutler.
For fricks sake 16 million wont even get you Jay Cutler.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:22 pm to boxcar willie
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but it has a lot to do with not being able to turn this around any time soon
Once again, no
All of our problems can be contributed to sucking in the draft and trying to fill all of our holes through quick fixes free agency. We didn't invest in our future by drafting good young players and developing them, and it seem like we finally realized that this past offseason. That's why we traded away Graham and Stills for picks. And so far, this draft has seemed to be our best in a long time, even if Peat ends up being a bust
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:38 pm to Tiger Nation 84
quote:I come to ST every few hours and there is always a new thread like this....
We must accept it, Brees' contract is the true downfall of this team.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:40 pm to Cap Crunch
well it f's us in the free agent market (if we knew how to do it) and f's us in resigning any good players (if we had any good players worth resigning). We better hit a series of all time great drafts because it is the only thing we are banking on.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:41 pm to jeff5891
We suck with him OR without him. Why not let him leave on his own terms? That 20 Million won't buy us a new QB, Receiving corps, defense, etc...
This city owes him a better curtain call than SF gave Montana.
This city owes him a better curtain call than SF gave Montana.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:44 pm to Tiger Nation 84
Brady can artificially keep his contract low due to his wife's earnings, so I don't know if he's a good argument.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:55 pm to Jcorye1
Simply put, Drew needs to take a PAY CUT not restructure his contract but a PAY CUT before next season. His cap figure for this year and next are the highest in the league. He got his big contract when he demanded it. He is no longer worth it. He needs to take a pay cut to help his team.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:59 pm to Tiger Nation 84
First question, so what was your contingency plan for Brees and how much should we have paid him? You think 18mil vs. 20mil a year is going to do much? We got him at a bargain for 6yr/60mil and he played through all 6 years without bitching because the Saints had good faith in him. We repaid the favor with paying him his worth, at the time a top 3 QB money.
These issues ate us since 2012:
1. Signing Grubbs, Hawthorne, Bunkley, and Lofton to such heavy contracts in 2012.
2. Losing 2 2nd rounders followed by shitting away a 2nd rounder on a project "big" DB trying to clone Sherman
3. Drafting like complete and sorry arse since 2011
4. Giving money to an UDFA out of good faith, followed by him being a complete shite head, and then restructuring him, then cutting him the same year and losing that 12mil restructured signing bonus you JUST gave him 3 months prior.
5. Keeping old vets a year or 2 past their due date (Colston, Evans, Strief, Hawthorne)
6. Letting the #1 guard in the game go instead of signing him to a backloaded contract
7. Ignoring 3 important offensive positions until it was too late: Guard, Center, and Wide Receiver
8. Holding onto bad assistant coaches and letting good ones go to better jobs and replacing them with mediocrity.
If they planned accordingly, they wouldn't be in this fricking mess.
These issues ate us since 2012:
1. Signing Grubbs, Hawthorne, Bunkley, and Lofton to such heavy contracts in 2012.
2. Losing 2 2nd rounders followed by shitting away a 2nd rounder on a project "big" DB trying to clone Sherman
3. Drafting like complete and sorry arse since 2011
4. Giving money to an UDFA out of good faith, followed by him being a complete shite head, and then restructuring him, then cutting him the same year and losing that 12mil restructured signing bonus you JUST gave him 3 months prior.
5. Keeping old vets a year or 2 past their due date (Colston, Evans, Strief, Hawthorne)
6. Letting the #1 guard in the game go instead of signing him to a backloaded contract
7. Ignoring 3 important offensive positions until it was too late: Guard, Center, and Wide Receiver
8. Holding onto bad assistant coaches and letting good ones go to better jobs and replacing them with mediocrity.
If they planned accordingly, they wouldn't be in this fricking mess.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:04 pm to Tiger Nation 84
You should seriously be banned from posting such an idiotic statement.
Let's totally forget the horrific off-season signings and drafting.. Things that actually define a team..
Brees was severely underpaid to start his career in New Orleans and won a Super Bowl. 100 Million is the going rate for even mediocre QB play now..
Brees' contract is actually entering the back end of itself any ways and it was heavily front loaded.
This is not on Brees' contract whatsoever. What is wrong with you people? Seriously.
Let's totally forget the horrific off-season signings and drafting.. Things that actually define a team..
Brees was severely underpaid to start his career in New Orleans and won a Super Bowl. 100 Million is the going rate for even mediocre QB play now..
Brees' contract is actually entering the back end of itself any ways and it was heavily front loaded.
This is not on Brees' contract whatsoever. What is wrong with you people? Seriously.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:07 pm to htran90
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6. Letting the #1 guard in the game go instead of signing him to a backloaded contract
I agree with most of what you said, but we can't complain about giving out big deals with backloaded money, and then say not giving the same type of deal to another player was an issue. Maybe Nicks would have lived up to his contract, but he could have easily ended up like Evans did.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:11 pm to Tiger Nation 84
Brees' $26 million isn't the issue. It's how we are spending the rest of the ~$120 million that is the issue, including $30 in dead cap. We are spending more money on dead cap than Brees, and people want to blame Brees' contract. Unbelievable...
Question for you and those who agree with you- Say we don't give Brees that deal and we let him walk when his deal was up. Who would our QB be right now, what would be paying this QB, and how good with the team realistically be? And how do we acquire this QB? It's easy to say "We should get rid of this player" without giving a realistic example of a replacement that would be an improvement.
Question for you and those who agree with you- Say we don't give Brees that deal and we let him walk when his deal was up. Who would our QB be right now, what would be paying this QB, and how good with the team realistically be? And how do we acquire this QB? It's easy to say "We should get rid of this player" without giving a realistic example of a replacement that would be an improvement.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:14 pm to Tiger Nation 84
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Why because Brees isnt worth what he gets paid? And you know it?
Even in Brees' down years he still leads the NFL in several passing statistic as recent as last season..
Seriously, what is wrong with people like you?
If Brees is overpaid, then you should see other 100 million QB contracts last season..
You want to talk about bad contracts?
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Colin Kaepernick's 'Record' $126 Million Contract Was A Complete Sham
It's actually worth more like 114 million, but still
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Joe Flacco joined an exclusive club as one of 13 NFL players to sign a contract worth at least $100 million
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On Tuesday, Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton became the 11th active player in the NFL to sign a contract worth at least $100 million.
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No $100 million player was easier to rank than Jay Cutler, who simultaneously possesses the NFL's richest and worst contract. During just the first 12 months of his seven-year deal, Cutler found himself thrown under the bus by his offensive coordinator and benched in favor of Jimmy Clausen. He also led the NFL in turnovers for the league's most disappointing five-win team.
before this year Matt Ryan was pretty atrocious and not even winning playoff games
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Matt Ryan is a difficult quarterback to assess. You can certainly win big with him—the Falcons won 56 games and made four trips to the postseason during Ryan's first five seasons—and his career passing numbers place him squarely in the upper tier at the position. But Atlanta also has won just 10 games over the last two years despite Ryan's 9,000-plus yards and 54 touchdowns through the air.
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Tony Romo's 2014 season—and the potential of his repeating it in coming years—give legitimacy to the six-year deal the Cowboys handed the quarterback back in 2013.
Is this holding the Cowboys back? No, because they have drafted well.. but Romo has missed more time than Brees
Up until this season, Brees NEVER missed a start. You don't think he has earned his pay? Especially after being severely underpaid for elite QB play for several years turning an entire franchise around.. That Super Bowl run was completely flawless playoffs for Brees. No INTS.
Do you not recognize how important it is to have great QB play in this league to be relevant.. Brees has still be extremely effective, but the drafting around him has been atrocious.
Keep Blaming Brees though. The one guy who has actually EARNED his pay in New Orleans. It is disgusting people like you want to blame his contract. It's the going rate period..
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