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re: The Saints draft could have been so much better
Posted on 5/1/16 at 8:57 pm to djmicrobe
Posted on 5/1/16 at 8:57 pm to djmicrobe
You could take your chance on 3 more talented players or 6 less talented ones.
Sometimes those less talented players work out, but the odds are lower than the more talented ones.
Neither method is better or worse. It's all about getting the right player in the right situation.
Sometimes those less talented players work out, but the odds are lower than the more talented ones.
Neither method is better or worse. It's all about getting the right player in the right situation.
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Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:01 pm to djmicrobe
Again, we had 6 picks before the draft started. After trades, we ended up with 5 picks. Just 1 less pick than we had before the draft. And we ended up getting 3 picks in the first 2 rounds.
Are y'all really bitching about losing a 5th RD pick in this years draft and a 5th RD pick in next years draft? Kinda ridiculous.
Are y'all really bitching about losing a 5th RD pick in this years draft and a 5th RD pick in next years draft? Kinda ridiculous.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:02 pm to Tingle
I liked our draft aside from Lasco, we really don't need another rb
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:03 pm to KG5989
Also, we aren't in position to "draft for depth". We need guys that can come in and get on the field and make an impact, especially with our early picks. We did that with our first 3 picks. All 3 will play a lot of football as rookies.
Hell, all 3 were considered to be at / near the top of their position. Rankins was considered the #1 DT by McShay and Kiper, and #2 by Mayock (had Bucker as a DT). And was considered a top 20 lock, potentially top 10. Michael Thomas was considered the #5 WR by all 3 and was considered a late 1st / early 2nd RD player. And Vonn Bell was considered to be the #2 safety by all 3 and a late 1st / early 2nd RD player. That's great value with your first 3 picks.
The DT in the 4th was a bit of a reach, but he's got great size and athletic ability and had a lotttt of upside. I'm OK with reaching for someone like that in the 4th. Plus, there was a lot of buzz about him leading up to the draft, so he could have drafted higher than most expected. Could become a very good player down the road.
And Lasco was a great 7th RD pick. Mayock said he's a 3rd / 4th RD talent that fell due to injuries this past season. He fits in great in our offense and will be able to contribute and get on the field Day 1, something you rarely say about 7th RD picks.
And we've already made some very nice UDFA signings.
Hell, all 3 were considered to be at / near the top of their position. Rankins was considered the #1 DT by McShay and Kiper, and #2 by Mayock (had Bucker as a DT). And was considered a top 20 lock, potentially top 10. Michael Thomas was considered the #5 WR by all 3 and was considered a late 1st / early 2nd RD player. And Vonn Bell was considered to be the #2 safety by all 3 and a late 1st / early 2nd RD player. That's great value with your first 3 picks.
The DT in the 4th was a bit of a reach, but he's got great size and athletic ability and had a lotttt of upside. I'm OK with reaching for someone like that in the 4th. Plus, there was a lot of buzz about him leading up to the draft, so he could have drafted higher than most expected. Could become a very good player down the road.
And Lasco was a great 7th RD pick. Mayock said he's a 3rd / 4th RD talent that fell due to injuries this past season. He fits in great in our offense and will be able to contribute and get on the field Day 1, something you rarely say about 7th RD picks.
And we've already made some very nice UDFA signings.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:08 pm to KG5989
Before draft:
2016
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7
2017
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After draft:
2016
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2
4
7
2017
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6
7
In total we lost two fifths and a third but gained a second.
Giving up 2 fifths and a third for a second doesn't sound bad at all.
But of course people love those fifths.
2016
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7
2017
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After draft:
2016
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7
2017
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In total we lost two fifths and a third but gained a second.
Giving up 2 fifths and a third for a second doesn't sound bad at all.
But of course people love those fifths.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:09 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 5/1/16 at 11:40 pm to Tingle
1. DT Sheldon Rankins
2. DT Jaran Reed vs WR Thomas
3. DE Shilique Calhoun vs S Vonn Bell (Sign Brees and a FA Safety- Bell not needed. Regardless Shilique is needed more than Bell at this point in draft)
4. WR Malcolm Mitchell vs Onyamamma and a 5th next year
5. OG Christian Westerman vs Nobody
7. S Jayron Kearse vs RB Lasco (Flip a coin on these two, but S is needed more than RB. Unless a FA Safety is signed)
Saints keep ALL draft picks for next year. Wr Thomas is a luxury pick. DL help is greatest need. Last year the worst QBs in the league would put up 400 yds. and 4-5 TDs against the Saints because they had NO PASS RUSH!!!!
WR Mitchell should be able to replace Colton or at least produce similar results as Colton did last year. In the 2017 draft you can address the WR if necessary. Also, if you really want that RB Lasco, then sign one of the Free Agent Safeties. If Saints still wanted Onyamamma, then they would have to give up a WR for this draft.
2. DT Jaran Reed vs WR Thomas
3. DE Shilique Calhoun vs S Vonn Bell (Sign Brees and a FA Safety- Bell not needed. Regardless Shilique is needed more than Bell at this point in draft)
4. WR Malcolm Mitchell vs Onyamamma and a 5th next year
5. OG Christian Westerman vs Nobody
7. S Jayron Kearse vs RB Lasco (Flip a coin on these two, but S is needed more than RB. Unless a FA Safety is signed)
Saints keep ALL draft picks for next year. Wr Thomas is a luxury pick. DL help is greatest need. Last year the worst QBs in the league would put up 400 yds. and 4-5 TDs against the Saints because they had NO PASS RUSH!!!!
WR Mitchell should be able to replace Colton or at least produce similar results as Colton did last year. In the 2017 draft you can address the WR if necessary. Also, if you really want that RB Lasco, then sign one of the Free Agent Safeties. If Saints still wanted Onyamamma, then they would have to give up a WR for this draft.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:34 am to djmicrobe
I think there is the highest amount of bitching in ratio to draft knowledge around here this year.
There is a complete disregard for the UDFAs also. So instead of signing as a UDFA if the Saints drafted Turner, Young, or Allen as guards in the 5th or 6th Rd as they were projected it would have been a better draft?
There is a complete disregard for the UDFAs also. So instead of signing as a UDFA if the Saints drafted Turner, Young, or Allen as guards in the 5th or 6th Rd as they were projected it would have been a better draft?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:47 am to blueslover
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I think there is the highest amount of bitching in ratio to draft knowledge around here this year.
I would have to agree. It's hard to appreciate any of the picks when everyone is griping about the one we DIDN'T get.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:47 am to blueslover
I never really fully appreciated how much this place has gone full retard until this draft
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:57 am to djmicrobe
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:26 am to blueslover
It's hard not to like this draft. It's one of the better drafts we have had over the past 7 or 8 years. Yet some people are still bitching. I'm convinced those people would complain even if we took the players they are advocating for now.
We got a great DT which we needed. We needed a WR (it's not a luxury, we needed a damn WR) and got one the coaches liked. Byrd will be gone next year, so we got his replacement this year. We took a gamble on an athletic freak of a DE which we need. At that late in the draft, it's worth the risk. And Lasco will replace Sunsari and Murphy and can be a backup to Spiller when he's injured. Oh yeah, and he's a damn 7th rounder. Not a bad pick either.
The people moaning and complaining are miserable know-it-alls who find it easier to complain and criticize than be patient and let things play out. They would have complained and started 20 threads about us picking Deuce McCallister when we already had Ricky Williams on the team. But that seemed to work out ok for us in the end.
We got a great DT which we needed. We needed a WR (it's not a luxury, we needed a damn WR) and got one the coaches liked. Byrd will be gone next year, so we got his replacement this year. We took a gamble on an athletic freak of a DE which we need. At that late in the draft, it's worth the risk. And Lasco will replace Sunsari and Murphy and can be a backup to Spiller when he's injured. Oh yeah, and he's a damn 7th rounder. Not a bad pick either.
The people moaning and complaining are miserable know-it-alls who find it easier to complain and criticize than be patient and let things play out. They would have complained and started 20 threads about us picking Deuce McCallister when we already had Ricky Williams on the team. But that seemed to work out ok for us in the end.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:37 am to Tingle
New Orleans Saints: Their draft just made sense. They badly needed a reliable defensive tackle and they took a seemingly safe pick at No. 12 in Sheldon Rankins. Ohio State receiver Michael Thomas is a needed physical pair of hands for Drew Brees, and we like safety Vonn Bell to take Jairus Byrd's spot in the secondary before long. The Saints' draft needs to hit because it lacks depth and this roster has all sorts of holes. We think these three players will all contribute right away.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:27 am to Tingle
I bet everyone who's complaining is really good at drafting in Madden
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:10 am to GOON
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I bet everyone who's complaining is really good at drafting in Madden
very true. I forget as each year rolls by this is probably more n more the case.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:20 am to KG5989
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Also, we aren't in position to "draft for depth".
yes we are. unless we want to keep trying to patch the whole in a sinking ship.
Over the last 10 years the Saints have less draft picks than any team in the NFL.
Same can be said over the last 5 years.
If you dont think that has some correlation to 7-9 in 3 out of our last 4 seasons, as well as cap problems, then you are lying to yourself.
It shouldn't be just about this one draft, and trying to get all the starters we can. The draft is a long term thing. And while not having a 4th or 5th RD pick this year isnt a big deal, you start picking 1 or 2 from every draft for the last decade and youre in trouble.
No, our 4th RD pick might not be a starter in this draft, but if he can provide depth, we'll see what the 4th RD pick in next year's draft brings. 1 in 3 might be starter, but if the other 2 can provide depth, that is a winning formula.
Because when you are trading and losing out on net picks, AND the players you pick in the high rounds suck, or are below average, then your team is going to really suck. I like the guys we picked, but all of these guys better knock it out the park.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:26 am to djmicrobe
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Saints keep ALL draft picks for next year. Wr Thomas is a luxury pick. DL help is greatest need. Last year the worst QBs in the league would put up 400 yds. and 4-5 TDs against the Saints because they had NO PASS RUSH!!!!
WR Mitchell should be able to replace Colton or at least produce similar results as Colton did last year. In the 2017 draft you can address the WR if necessary. Also, if you really want that RB Lasco, then sign one of the Free Agent Safeties. If Saints still wanted Onyamamma, then they would have to give up a WR for this draft.
I was going to type out a decent response to this, but decided to just shake my head and down vote you instead.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:28 am to blueslover
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I think there is the highest amount of bitching in ratio to draft knowledge around here this year.
People follow the Kipers, McShays, and the hundreds of mock draft websites and fall in love with players they see continuously mocked to us.
Kiper had so-and-so the #3 DT in the entire draft...and he falls to the 4th round and people scream how we should rush up and draft him because "Kiper said so." They don't stop and pause to think why the player is falling like a rock.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:37 am to KG5989
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Again, we had 6 picks before the draft started. After trades, we ended up with 5 picks. Just 1 less pick than we had before the draft. And we ended up getting 3 picks in the first 2 rounds.
Are y'all really bitching about losing a 5th RD pick in this years draft and a 5th RD pick in next years draft? Kinda ridiculous.
My only issue with it was trading up into the 2nd and taking a player who will be a backup for us when we have needs at starting positions. We could have kept that third rounder and gotten a starter at G, probably a very good one, but instead we traded up to take a reserve safety. Now we will have to hit the open market and overpay for a veteran G and ask him to start rather than find a cheaper reserve safety.
Maybe there are other things in play and it'll all make sense later on, but it just seems that this FO is a bit too trigger happy when it comes to trading up.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:41 am to Lester Earl
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No, our 4th RD pick might not be a starter in this draft, but if he can provide depth, we'll see what the 4th RD pick in next year's draft brings. 1 in 3 might be starter, but if the other 2 can provide depth, that is a winning formula.
I will add to that that this year's 4th round underclassman may very well be next year's day one superstar. Tons of kids are declaring early now and there is more quality to be found throughout the middle rounds if you can scout well.
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