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re: Grand Jury Indicts Cardell Hayes
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
You aren't saying anything that makes this less murder.
So either he was armed when approached the vehicle or the confrontation ended, and he came back with a gun, and then shot Smith in the back?
Whether he did it on purpose or not he rear ended him. That happened. That is established. If Smith is armed it is because this guy followed and rear ended him.
So either he was armed when approached the vehicle or the confrontation ended, and he came back with a gun, and then shot Smith in the back?
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No proof that Hayes rear ended him on purpose. Are we to assume that Smith rear ended Hayes on purpose at the initial accident? Like I said that post was all made up except for Smith being shot in the back.
Whether he did it on purpose or not he rear ended him. That happened. That is established. If Smith is armed it is because this guy followed and rear ended him.
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:10 pm to Chad504boy
Second shooter could have been Oneal.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:10 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Hayes was clearly armed when he approached Smith's vehicle
this isn't a fact
So he retreated to his vehicle, then came back with a gun?
That would be damning
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:10 pm to 5Alive
Nopd said other gun in Hayes party was not fired.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:12 pm to SammyTiger
quote:yea no shite, my issue was with you making up the fact that he hit him on purpose. That's not fact.
Whether he did it on purpose or not he rear ended him.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:12 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Nopd said other gun in Hayes party was not fired.
samesies about will's gun.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:12 pm to WhoDat37
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Ken Daley, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune 9 minutes ago
If Judge Buras doesn't stop the proceeding, I'd expect the DA's office to seek an emergency writ from 4th circuit before it can restart. They don't want Hayes' attorney John Fuller hearing any more testimony today now that the indictment is in.
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Ken Daley, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune 8 minutes ago
I've never seen/heard of anything even approaching this weirdness, with a hearing switching judges midstream instead of being ended and then starting with a new judge on some later date.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:14 pm to WhoDat37
quote:Witnesses report Smith says I got a gun, Hayes said I got a gun too.. Then gunshots. Could Hayes have just grabbed his gun quicker from his vehicle faster than Smith grabbed his? Definitely possible and its not necessarily damning .
So he retreated to his vehicle, then came back with a gun?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:18 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Witnesses report Smith says I got a gun, Hayes said I got a gun too.. Then gunshots. Could Hayes have just grabbed his gun quicker from his vehicle faster than Smith grabbed his? Definitely possible and its not necessarily damning .
No, not possible given Will's body, the bullet hole in the door, and the casings.
I mean it's laughably stupid honestly
Maybe Hayes is the flash.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:19 pm to WhoDat37
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Ken Daley, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
It's all about leverage. Today was not the day for trial, it was only to establish probable cause to keep Hayes in custody, either by a judge's finding in the preliminary hearing (which started) or by a grand jury indicting him (which happened during the hearing).
The indictment should be enough to end the hearing because probable cause has been established. But if John Fuller can somehow get testimony to continue, he learns more and more about what evidence the state has. Prosecutors, on the other hand, don't want to show their cards at this early stage, because that gives Fuller more time to react and prepare a defense for trial. The state eventually is required to turn over its evidence at a later discovery hearing, but disclosure of witnesses/evidence today only helps Fuller.
Keep in mind, there will be several hearings to come for evidence discovery and motions filed by the defense to suppress statements and challenge admissibility of certain evidence. The actual murder trial of Cardell Hayes is probably 18-24 months away.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:22 pm to WhoDat37
Depends how long the gunshots came after Hayes said he had a gun.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:24 pm to Boomshockalocka
Well according to your same witnesses it was right after
And the longer the wait, the worst it will be for Hayes. Going to your car then returning to shoot someone in the back would be an absolutely horrible defense. Emerging from his car with a weapon would be a pretty aggressive position to defend
And the longer the wait, the worst it will be for Hayes. Going to your car then returning to shoot someone in the back would be an absolutely horrible defense. Emerging from his car with a weapon would be a pretty aggressive position to defend
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:31 pm to WhoDat37
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman
For clarity: The Will Smith case was destined for Judge Camille Buras all along, based on date of offense. Just took a circus to get here.
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman
Cardell Hayes being arraigned now, standing in orange jail scrubs.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:32 pm to rt3
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman
Cardell Hayes pleads not guilty to 4-count indictment accusing him of murder (Will Smith), attempt murder of Racquel Smith and 2 more cts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:34 pm to rt3
I didn't read this thread
Has anyone said "8 SHOTS 'NUFF SAID!!!11"
Has anyone said "8 SHOTS 'NUFF SAID!!!11"
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:34 pm to rt3
so the interesting thing to me is that he's actually charged with 3 counts of attempted 2nd degree murder
assuming 1 each for Racquel and the other 2 passengers in Will's "G-Wagon"
assuming 1 each for Racquel and the other 2 passengers in Will's "G-Wagon"
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:36 pm to rt3
The 4 counts are:
1. second degree murder of Will Smith,
2. attempted second degree murder of his wife Racquel,
3. aggravated assault with a firearm, and
4. aggravated criminal damage to a vehicle, Smith’s Mercedes SUV
1. second degree murder of Will Smith,
2. attempted second degree murder of his wife Racquel,
3. aggravated assault with a firearm, and
4. aggravated criminal damage to a vehicle, Smith’s Mercedes SUV
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:37 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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The 4 counts are:
1. second degree murder of Will Smith,
2. attempted second degree murder of his wife Racquel,
3. aggravated assault with a firearm, and
4. aggravated criminal damage to a vehicle, Smith’s Mercedes SUV
oh ok... I misread what was said... my mistake
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:37 pm to rt3
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so the interesting thing to me is that he's actually charged with 3 counts of attempted 2nd degree murder
assuming 1 each for Racquel and the other 2 passengers in Will's "G-Wagon"
i think you read that wrong
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:40 pm to Lester Earl
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman
Hayes' attorney, John Fuller, said he expects to file motion to reduce Hayes' bond.
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman
Court adjourned.
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