re: Fwiw, Kiper's latest mock draft released today

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but he's definitely not a #1 wr

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Not even close. He's a shitty 2

I think WR1 and WR2 and whatnot are poor descriptors.

There's bigger possession receivers. Sometimes these guys are also real fast but it's rare.

Then there are pure speed guys. Sometimes they have good hands and/or are big bodies.

Then there are guys that are good in space and are shifty.

Of course there's lots of overlap at times, but that's the main 3 types.

Honestly after cutting Moore and with Colston getting older we could use any type. Stills could fill a slot or burner role.

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He was considered late 1st then Cooks and Beckham blew up at the combine and pushed him down to the 6th or 7th ranked WR.

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he was always a early-mid 2nd. He dropped through out the season, due to Cooks, Beckham, Landry, Robinson, and even Davante Adams

Before the combine it was

1. Watkins
2. Evans
3. Lee
4. Benjamin
5. Beckham
6. Landry
7. Cooks
8. Robinson
9. Matthews
10. Richardson

Now it is

1. Watkins
2. Evans
3. Beckham
4. Cooks
5. Lee
6. Benjamin
7. Robinson
8. Matthews
9. Richardson
10. Landry

some have Adams ahead of matthews too

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Lester Earl

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who would you say is a #1?

that is an overused statement, give me a guy that can get open and catch the ball

well, list the best WRs in the the NFL. Most of them wont be 5'10"

Josh Gordon
Calvin johnson
AJ Green
Julio Jones
Demaryius Thomas
Andre Johnson
Alshon Jeffery
Brandon Marshall
Dez Bryant
Vincent Jackson
Larry Fitzgerald

True WR1. Like Gyno said, some guys are just there by default.

There are some guys that are smaller that are legitimately #1 WRs. But honestly, how many guys year to year consistently tear up the league at that size? The guys above do, for the most part.

Again, once you hit 27, you're going to find guys that are equal to the guys you can find in the 2nd round, barring someone slipping.

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Calvin Johnson, Fitz, Josh Gordon, Dez, Roddy White, VJax, AJ80, Demaryius Thomas etc.

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so you have to be an elite receiver to be a true #1? come on people. Colston must not be a #1 than, because he sure as hell isn't elite. Yea he was pretty damn good, but he wasn't elite. All those guys you listed are elite.

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I feel like you're just limiting yourself further with that kind of pick for a first rounder.

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well you'd have to think Rob Ryan would put Ford in good spots to succeed. He wouldn't be a three down guy but he would be there in obvious passing situations.

i'm kind of hoping we tighten up some on that run defense. You have to believe the Saints will be even tougher to throw against next year with the addition of a ball hawking safety in Byrd. So I'm thinking teams will want to attack us on the ground, it was kind of a weakness last year and it has been one the last few years really.

I think Hicks will get better and Jordan has been pretty solid the last few years stopping the run. Bunkley may or may not be here next year. I mean I guess there is a chance he gets cut after June 1st.

improvements could be made at ILB but I don't know if you want to use a 1st round pick on one.

I know someone is going to unexpectedly drop on draft day. I think that's who the Saints will take.

Mosely, Eric Ebron, one of the DBs... Or They could really like a guy like Marquis Lee or ODBjr and could snatch them up if they were to fall.

I think OL will be the wildcard here. The Martin kid from ND can play every OL position except for C. That wouldn't be a bad addition if he falls. Also, I know this board would flip it's shite, but I wouldn't be shocked to hear Cyrus Kouandijo's name called. It depends on the Saints big board, obviously. If you're drafting for depth it's not a terrible place to start.

No one said Colston wasn't a 1 in his prime. Brees helps a lot of well. Which is why a guy like Donte Moncrief in the 2nd would be great. With his physical tools, Brees could put him in the pro bowl every season. He has game changing potential

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so you have to be an elite receiver to be a true #1

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Are we arguing about the ambiguity of WR1 and you bring up "elite"?

JM2C:
Not all teams have a WR1 when used in scouting terms, sometimes it's WR by Committee such as we have had the last 7 years. WR1 in depth chart terms doesn't really mean anything.