re: Convince me our pass rush will be sustantially better next year.

Funny story. After we drafted Lattimore my bears fan bro in law texted "nice pick up at 11." I said yeah but was kinda hoping for Jonathan Allen because we need the pass rush. He said "the guy with arthritis in his shoulders? Why?!"

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Do you really think there wasn't a spot where we could have upgraded that position?

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i mean we did use an early pick on a pass rusher

you just don't like that guy, and no guy player we could have drafted was that much more of a sure thing, because the only elite pass rusher went #1 overall

when you get past burnett and taco there was a big lumping of guys who were about the same, and most of them would be very limited as a fulltime 4-3 DE (they were more 3-4 rush LBs)

Seriously, people need to watch the second half of the Carolina home game to see the issues we had. Doesn't matter what pressure you can get with your front 7 if you have zero trust in your corners at the LoS. They were playing 10 yards off the line and all quick routes

The interior rush alone of a healthy Rankins for a full season (with experience) should help Cam alone. Having someone capable of moderately holding down the right side will greatly improve our rush. And if we can cover man to man, you can generate that via the blitz if need be

11 and if we traded up from 32.

But a potential shutdown corner fell in our lap at 11, and we didn't want to lose picks trading up (which I might add nearly everyone here complains about; can't have it both ways).

Once you get to 42 none of those guys are clear upgrades over Kikaha and Okafor.

So again, name a player we could have picked?

I would have taken any of the guys that went after Anzalone

Daeshon Hall
Tim Williams
Sack of the MAC
Derek Rivers

I thought they played the board well up until then.

Yup. A third of our sacks came from Fairley and Rankins because the corners and LBs didn't give the line anytime for the outside rush to get home.

So many passes to backs or quick hitters to receivers because we played off. 2014 all over again and why I think Allen is a huge problem. He schemes too safe and let's us get killed short. See Byrd playing 25 yards off (and that's not exaggeration).

Now can you say for certain they'd be an upgrade?

If you think so you're full of it. There's reasons why these guys "fell" to the third. Maybe a year or two from now they might be better, but right now none of them were going to come in and be clear starter.

And I don't disagree about wanting a pass rusher there. I would have loved Basham. But I'm not foolish enough to think he's clearly better than Kikaha and Okafor.

Just so we are clear. We all know that its you on the left.

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how many sacks did the saints have last year? how many sacks did the patriots have last year? I'll wait.

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34 to our 30

wanna know what else they were better at:
coverage (70 PD and 13 INTs to 67 PD and 9 INTs)

know where we upgraded or tried to?
Cornerbacks and Linebackers

Okay taking certain out do you believe these guys are better than what we have?