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Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:27 pm to Jizzamo311
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Jizzamo311
I'm pro abortion now because of your thread
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:28 pm to TigerBait1127
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He was always going to go to a place withlout state income tax.
Love how every Collins thread brings up a new definitive reason why he wouldn't be a Saint. This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:40 pm to TigerBait1127
Then why I are you still posting in it?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:42 pm to TigerBait1127
It doesn't support his extreme statements but the articles I posted says Collins did say he wanted to be close to home & that he signed with the first team that showed confidence in him. Are the Saints not a team close to his child hood home?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:49 pm to saintsfan22
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Love how every Collins thread brings up a new definitive reason why he wouldn't be a Saint.
I believe I've always said that would be a factor once he hit FA
But thinking can be hard for some. The income tax break is a huge advantage. One of the reasons I left Louisiana
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:53 pm to TigerBait1127
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I believe I've always said that would be a factor once he hit FA
But thinking can be hard for some. The income tax break is a huge advantage. One of the reasons I left Louisiana
You make a good point here but that was also a decision you felt was best for you or your family. That doesn't appear to be the case with Collins because he clearly stated he wanted to be as close to home as possible. No NFL team is closer to Baton Rouge than the Saints.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:58 pm to BigBrod81
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That doesn't appear to be the case with Collins because he clearly stated he wanted to be as close to home as possible.
That isn't what he said actually, and there were plenty of ramblings that he wanted out of La at the time. You can be close to home while being in a different state.
Its a 1 hour flight from dallas to br
Dallas is a bigger media market and had depth on the oline that helps shield him from injury until he's up for an extension. He made the right call mitigating his risk, reducing his taxes, and increasing earnings potential
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:00 pm to Rand AlThor
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m sure they have honest grades for these guys, and if the chips fell right they would take them.
The crazy thing is, I really think the Saints take Brandon Scherff or Collins if the whole saga doesn't fall out the way it did. Maybe the Redskins stick with their selection of Scherff if Collins didn't have rumors circling him or maybe they take Collins allowing Scherff to fall. Either way both were more day one ready to play than Peat.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:10 pm to TigerBait1127
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That isn't what he said actually, and there were plenty of ramblings that he wanted out of La at the time. You can be close to home while being in a different state.
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The agents narrow the list to a handful of teams, and then Collins cuts it down even more. He wants to be close to home, and he doesn’t want to be anywhere cold.
C'mon man you are grasping at straws here. Secondly those were just that, rumblings & rumors. The young man clearly wanted to be close to home.
It's ok to admit the Saints made a mistake by not making a strong push to sign Collins & it's also ok to be tired of discussing the subject. It's not like they haven't already had plenty of questionable personnel moves over the last few years anyway.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:12 pm to BigBrod81
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C'mon man you are grasping at straws here. Secondly those were just that, rumblings & rumors. The young man clearly wanted to be close to home.
How is Dallas not close to home?
Where does it say as close as possible?
Also, didn't he want to be considered a T? Isn't that the eventual plan for him in Dallas?
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It's ok to admit the Saints made a mistake by not making a strong push to sign Collins
I think we should have gone after him. I have no idea if we did or didn't, which is the entire point
Find me a link from a source that says the Saints didn't show any interest
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:32 pm to TigerBait1127
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How is Dallas not close to home?
How is New Orleans not close to home?
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Also, didn't he want to be considered a T? Isn't that the eventual plan for him in Dallas?
He's been playing guard for the Cowboys. You should know Collins is a team first & loyal guy. He's willing to play guard because Jerry Jones believed in him so he’s showing his gratitude for that. He would played guard for the Saints too had they actually opened up to him too.
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Find me a link from a source that says the Saints didn't show any interest
The only teams listed to have openly reached out to Collins were the Cowboys, Dolphins, Lions, Falcons, Bills, Rams & Bengals. I read almost every article that came out on Collins when courtship process was playing out & the Saints were mentioned nowhere. What's even more head scratching is that Miles & Rob Ryan have a relationship since they were on the Oklahoma St. staff together yet why wasn't that relationship taken advantage in this situation?
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:42 pm to BigBrod81
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How is New Orleans not close to home?
When did I say it wasn't?
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e's been playing guard for the Cowboys.
I'm aware which is why I said eventual plan...
They worked him a lot at RT In the offseason. This year, they said they were going to play him wherever is needed. I'm talking about for his extension
So there still isn't a source that said the Saints weren't intersted. Got it
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:47 pm to partywiththelombardi
quote:If thats the truth Payton needs to check is pussy arse ego at the door. His cute little projects have this team devoid of talent
Maybe the Saints thought it was very divaesque, entitled, and immature to have your agent come out and tell teams when to draft you...maybe that rubbed the franchise the wrong way especially considering who and why some players were let go this offseason.
However, I dont beleive any of this story.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:51 pm to TigerBait1127
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So there still isn't a source that said the Saints weren't intersted. Got it
Then why were the teams who were interested revealed? Why weren't the Saints among those teams mentioned?
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Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones likes the set-up as it is now, with Collins at guard and Free at right tackle, with Darrion Weems serving as the team’s swing tackle.
“Free has every chance to be what we want him to be, we’re just going slow with Free,” Jones said. “And then we want Weems, who has had a little bit of a setback injury-wise, and certainly didn’t have as good of an outing against San Diego as we would like to see. But we had practiced him the whole time at right [tackle] and he ended up playing left because Tyron [Smith] didn’t play.
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“Bottom line is, we got enough moving parts here, it’s not time to be moving La’el, he’s doing so well getting locked in on guard and having his reps there. He gives us so much strength with him and [Ron] Leary. If both of them are there all year long and give us that interior strength, that’s probably more advantageous to us.”
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This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:56 pm to BigBrod81
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Then why were the teams who were interested revealed? Why weren't the Saints among those teams mentioned?
Almost every article says among many others, or almost every team in the nfl, etc
Teams are also put in bad spots because of the draft rules. So if Collins wasn't interested in the Saints, then you put together the rest of the story
What's the second thing you edited to supposed to mean? Are you even reading what I posted? EVENTUALLY. Not to mention that today is a different day then when he was signed. shite changes
I'm done with this shitty topic that is just based on pure speculation and nothing substantial. Lack of proof still isn't proof
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 4:12 pm to Jizzamo311
This is not beating a dead horse. We should never stop complaining about this. Not drafting Collins in the last round was a worse decision than drafting Stanley Jean Baptiste in the second round. Giving away a free 1st round player as opposed to wasting a 2nd round choice. Our #75 tackle eligible may not be able to block but maybe we can heap praises on the front office if he ever catches a touchdown pass.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 4:28 pm to geauxpurple
It just makes no sense not to take him in the later rounds on a flyer.
None. Even if he claimed he would "hold out"
He wouldn't hold out an entire year and go through the process again.
It's still a high reward no risk.. Much better than most draft picks lately. Even from an outside perspective the Saints would have been given a pass had the worst happened as they were the hometown team.. people would have understood. Not that other people's opinions matter.
Oh well, we get to see him next week vs Dallas soon enough to be further reminded.
It's not about Saints not signing LSU players. It was about a great player at a huge position of need that could have just fallen into our laps and we wanted no part of it.. yet we draft stupid risky picks all the time on projects.. and those are a bigger waste.
None. Even if he claimed he would "hold out"
He wouldn't hold out an entire year and go through the process again.
It's still a high reward no risk.. Much better than most draft picks lately. Even from an outside perspective the Saints would have been given a pass had the worst happened as they were the hometown team.. people would have understood. Not that other people's opinions matter.
Oh well, we get to see him next week vs Dallas soon enough to be further reminded.
It's not about Saints not signing LSU players. It was about a great player at a huge position of need that could have just fallen into our laps and we wanted no part of it.. yet we draft stupid risky picks all the time on projects.. and those are a bigger waste.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 4:59 pm to beauchristopher
Mike Detillier said about the same thing about this situation. He called it a travesty that the saints were not the first team beating down the door for La'el as an UDFA. He also said the saints have no connection to the best NFL player factory in the country. Unbelievable management stupidity.
Fire Loomis please.
Fire Loomis please.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 5:26 pm to TigerBait1127
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Teams are also put in bad spots because of the draft rules. So if Collins wasn't interested in the Saints, then you put together the rest of the story
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I'm done with this shitty topic that is just based on pure speculation and nothing substantial. Lack of proof still isn't proof
Look man, personally I think you are a damn good poster but with that said, at times you are a stubborn, blind homer too. You had similar comments when the Galette frick Sean video came out. You defended Junior when it was obvious he was taking shots a Payton & Cam. You said the box of rocks know as Junior, couldn't have been talking about Cam because he said 60 mil guaranteed instead of 60 mil overall yet the Twitter meltdown later on confirmed that comment was about Cam & frick Sean was aimed at Payton.
Everyone on here bleeds Black & Gold myself included but this organization has made of a habit under the Payton & Loomis regime of being reactive rather than proactive.
Just because I say that doesn't mean I believe they should be fired or they aren't capable of doing their jobs but their mistakes have wasted the opportunity to win more championships while having a future Hall of Famer at QB. Isn't this what all fans want to begin with?
I've already mentioned the loyalty to aging players like Vilma, Will Smith, Colston & Evans but slow response to immediate problems go far deeper than that.
Just look at how long it took Payton to move away from Gary Gibbs. Gibbs should have been gone after the 2007 season yet Payton kept him around for 2008 which ended up a wasted opportunity.
Later on we find out there were issues behind the scenes with Gregg Williams starting in 2010 where things got so bad, he & Payton were barely on speaking terms. Why in the hell was Williams brought back for a 2011 if things were that bad? Should it have really taken Williams going full retard in the 2011 playoff loss to the 49ers to come to that decision?
Why is Payton's buddies Bill Johnson & Joe Vitt still coaching defensive positions? What players have come in a really shined & developed under these two? I guess you can say Cam Jordan but if you can only name one player after all these years, it probably means the teachers themselves suck.
Look at how long it took them to realize there was a problem in the scouting department. You think Rick Reiprish was fired for no reason? Same goes for the scouts Brian Adams & Ryan Hollern. Ryan Pace was encouraged to look around because he was done in New Orleans. Our drafts, up until this year have stunk. Somebody had to pay the price but why did it take so long to come to this decision? How many times did the organization miss out in the draft on taking a difference maker because of the mistakes made by this group?
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The New Orleans Saints have fired scouts Brian Adams and Ryan Hollern, according to multiple sources.
The moves appeared to have taken place late last week, concluding the end of a busy offseason in both the coaching staff and front office. College scouting director Rick Reiprish was fired earlier in the offseason, Ryan Pace was hired as the Chicago Bears general manager and Jeff Ireland was hired as assistant general manager.
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So excuse me if I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt in the Collins situation. There is nothing out there showing that the Saints openly pursued La'el but there is enough to go off of that they likely sat on their asses once again.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 6:24 pm
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