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re: 2015 Saints Training Camp Discussion Thread
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:43 am to Melvin
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:43 am to Melvin
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Not sure why you are so against that notion.
It's simple. Certain people immediately dislike a player based on either why he was drafted or what he did during rookie year.
They are the people who screamed when the Saints drafted him because they wanted us to pick "their" player. So they now hate the pick and instead of hoping to be wrong, they pray that the player will bust out the league, proving their point.
Of course this is pretty silly considering they should hope that all players drafted by their favorite team become solid contributors instead of giving up on them after a year, but then again some have too much "pride" if that's what you want to call it.
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:51 am to Chad504boy
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ain't a joke question
I never know when you're serious lol.
But yes, definitely. Regardless of what happened in the past, I'm sure they'll use him wherever he can contribute the most. If it's special teams, and he's not shook emotionally from his injury, they will most certainly use him there.
Rarely do you see any returns now-a-days since Goodell tweaked the kickoff spot.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:05 am to Chad504boy
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will breaux play special teams for us? pretty big loss if he doesn't.
Does he have a great rep for great ST play?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:07 am to goatmilker
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Does he have a great rep for great ST play?
*too easy... must... avoid.... killer.... punch.... line...*
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:38 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:57 am to Chad504boy
Good question. Everyone is pulling for him, myself included, but everything we've heard is coverage and ball hawking ability. Since his come back through the CFL has he been a thumper or has he been an arm tackler. All things considered, I'd be hesitant to put him on special teams.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:29 pm to Dats Who
15 Snap judgements through 5 days of Training Camp
1. Breaux continues to impress
2. SJB has improved
3. Byrd still MIA
4. Coleman: Quiet Storm 2.0
5. Toon: Adrian Arrington 2.0
6. Not concerned with bringing Peat along slowly
7. Am concerned with Evans and Lelito struggling at guard
8. Vaccaro seems back to form
9. Unger is who we thought he was
10. Anthony will be a day 1 starter
11. Pineapple Express needs some time
12. Grayson needs some grooming
13. Edebali is legit
14. Richardson makes the team
15. I don't miss the Junior drama
1. Breaux continues to impress
2. SJB has improved
3. Byrd still MIA
4. Coleman: Quiet Storm 2.0
5. Toon: Adrian Arrington 2.0
6. Not concerned with bringing Peat along slowly
7. Am concerned with Evans and Lelito struggling at guard
8. Vaccaro seems back to form
9. Unger is who we thought he was
10. Anthony will be a day 1 starter
11. Pineapple Express needs some time
12. Grayson needs some grooming
13. Edebali is legit
14. Richardson makes the team
15. I don't miss the Junior drama
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:47 pm to Dats Who
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12. Grayson needs some grooming
I think you're being kind here... he had the same number of receptions yesterday as INTs...
(I'm kind of joking... he only had two attempts and threw one of each)
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:57 pm to Dats Who
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Kyle Wilson
The former Jets cornerback went from playing with the first-team defense at the nickel cornerback spot in May to being at best a third-team defender. The Saints gave Wilson a prove-it deal earlier this offseason. Honestly, he might not make it through the first cutdown day.
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11. Pineapple Express needs some time
I agree but it doesn't help that he has been going up against Armstead who by all accounts has been dominant so far.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:21 pm to BigBrod81
Wilson is as good as gone, I dont think he makes it past the first round of cuts either.
Grayson: CSP won't risk him clearing waivers (I would think), so RG4 to the practice squad assuming he clears waivers.
Pineapple Express has gone against Armstead - good point. But, Edebali and Powell have too and the word is Edebali has looked good and Powell has been running with the ones. Not bashing Kikaha, I think he's gonna be a star and make us say jr who, just saying.
Grayson: CSP won't risk him clearing waivers (I would think), so RG4 to the practice squad assuming he clears waivers.
Pineapple Express has gone against Armstead - good point. But, Edebali and Powell have too and the word is Edebali has looked good and Powell has been running with the ones. Not bashing Kikaha, I think he's gonna be a star and make us say jr who, just saying.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:27 pm to Dats Who
Any word on Spiller?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:28 pm to BigBrod81
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I agree but it doesn't help that he has been going up against Armstead who by all accounts has been dominant so far.
Thats whats going to make him so much better when he does catch on.
I can't tell if the O line or the D line has improved by just listening to reports. They were both so bad last year. At least unger seems to be a huge improvement. I can't wait for the season to start to see which line has most improved.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:19 pm to Melvin
My 2 cents on Spiller: The latest toy in CSP's toy box. He's more of a complete back, so hopefully we aren't as predictable when he's in there like we were with Sprolesy. It all depends on CSP though. So...
CSP if you are reading this - mix it up a little, throw to Ingram once in a while and run Spiller up the gut a time or two and defenses won't be able to read your personnel packages.
CSP if you are reading this - mix it up a little, throw to Ingram once in a while and run Spiller up the gut a time or two and defenses won't be able to read your personnel packages.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 5:36 pm to Dats Who
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CSP if you are reading this - mix it up a little, throw to Ingram once in a while and run Spiller up the gut a time or two and defenses won't be able to read your personnel packages.
Together with the group we have, I imagine closer to 2011-esque's top 4 guys:
398 rush attempts (Ingram: 122, PT: 110, Sproles: 87, Ivory: 79)
147 receptions (Sproles: 86, PT: 50, Ingram: 11, Ivory: 0)
545 total touches between 4 of them
Ingram had 226 rushes to 29 receptions (36 targets) last year (255 touches)
In the first 3 years combined: 356 rushes to 24 receptions (34 targets)
Add on Spiller who averaged 134 rushes and 32 receptions (40 targets) in 5 years with Buffalo (~166 touches), I imagine it being closer to 125 rushes and 75 receptions.
I imagine the breakdown is 350 combined rushes between Ingram (225) and Spiller (125), ~75 going to Khiry Robinson, and 10 going to Murphy.
I imagine the receiving is going to be 40 for Ingram, 75 for Spiller, 10 for Khiry and probably another 10 for Murphy
Adds up to about: 435 rushes, 135 receptions between the top 4 RBs.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 5:59 pm to Dats Who
are you in the media and watching practices?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:02 pm to Dats Who
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Pineapple Express has gone against Armstead - good point. But, Edebali and Powell have too and the word is Edebali has looked good and Powell has been running with the ones. Not bashing Kikaha, I think he's gonna be a star and make us say jr who, just saying.
I agree. Edebali & Powell are both in their second camp now. Both already have a feel for the talent level adjustment from college to pro as well a familiarity with the defensive scheme. It allows them to play faster while Kikaha is probably doing a bit more thinking instead of going full speed ahead. If he isn't progressing some by the middle to end of training camp then it maybe time to worry some but it is way too early to begin to panic.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:08 pm to Lester Earl
I wish. Just channeling everything I've read Saints related.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:09 pm to Sparkplug#1
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I can't tell if the O line or the D line has improved by just listening to reports.
Evans struggles so far are worrisome due to his slow decline over the last two seasons. Injuries have been blamed but he’s supposed to be healthy right now.
It's been reported that Hicks has beaten Jahri several times with pure strength. I don’t know whether to take that as positive as Hicks being in great shape & ready to build off all the flashes he has shown the last few seasons or if this is the end of an era for Evans in terms of being a dominant, elite guard.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:20 pm to BigBrod81
I'll reiterate what Payton said that sometimes fans have very unrealistic expectations of most rookies. Very few come in and make a big impact. Most are role players or special teamers at best their first year.
Guys like Vaccaro and Cooks have been exceptions to the rule. Hopefully Anthony is too. I'm fine waiting a year for Peat and Kikaha to season if they need it. Most rookies do.
Guys like Vaccaro and Cooks have been exceptions to the rule. Hopefully Anthony is too. I'm fine waiting a year for Peat and Kikaha to season if they need it. Most rookies do.
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