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re: #1 problem in previous years was addressed
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:05 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:05 am to bonethug0108
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hose picks were far from luxury. They were great value and perfect fits that keep us ahead of the 8 ball.
And this is fricking great.
Keeps us ahead of the 8 ball??
Three straight 7-9's with historically bad defenses and you are gonna sit here and tell me picking OL(esp after the peat debacle ) and a RB is gonna keep us ahead of the 8 ball?? What planet are you on, frickface? What fricking 8 ball do you think we are ahead of???
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:11 am to Lester Earl
I criticize plenty if you pay attention.
This year so far I was upset about trading Cooks (I'm more over it now but it still doesn't sit right with me), the Klein signing had me scratching my head (though as an optimist I choose to wait for failure instead of expecting it), I didn't like not getting a DE earlier (but shite happens, top corners fall, Tak goes a few picks before 32, and I guess the value for others wasn't there), and I'm very disappointed to hear we were actually looking at Foster (talented no doubt but too many issues).
Things I'm probably missing too. Other things from the past off the top of my head: not finding a center in the 2014 draft, not retaining Porter, taking too long to give up on some guys (Shanle and Cadet for instance; how long did I bitch about Shanle and am still bitching about Cadet though Kamara might help there), not giving guys a chance sooner (Galette especially as you could see day one he way going to be a beast pass rushers; ending aside of course), holding on to coaches too long, not firing Allen, etc.
I have a long list of stuff I've bitched about and stuff I am and have started to bitch about.
But as an optimist I'm always going to try to find the good in things and look for ways they can work out.
But if you think it's all puppies and kittens I can assure you it's sure in the frick not.
This year so far I was upset about trading Cooks (I'm more over it now but it still doesn't sit right with me), the Klein signing had me scratching my head (though as an optimist I choose to wait for failure instead of expecting it), I didn't like not getting a DE earlier (but shite happens, top corners fall, Tak goes a few picks before 32, and I guess the value for others wasn't there), and I'm very disappointed to hear we were actually looking at Foster (talented no doubt but too many issues).
Things I'm probably missing too. Other things from the past off the top of my head: not finding a center in the 2014 draft, not retaining Porter, taking too long to give up on some guys (Shanle and Cadet for instance; how long did I bitch about Shanle and am still bitching about Cadet though Kamara might help there), not giving guys a chance sooner (Galette especially as you could see day one he way going to be a beast pass rushers; ending aside of course), holding on to coaches too long, not firing Allen, etc.
I have a long list of stuff I've bitched about and stuff I am and have started to bitch about.
But as an optimist I'm always going to try to find the good in things and look for ways they can work out.
But if you think it's all puppies and kittens I can assure you it's sure in the frick not.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:15 am to Lester Earl
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If Strief needs to be replaced, take his replacement next year. You don't need a year of grooming when you could have hit on an immediate need at another position.
who's to say he can't be a replacement this year. Who's to say there would even be a RT of his caliber next year? Any edge we would have taken at 32 would have been the 10th edge rusher taken. likelihood of that guy panning out is a lot worse than the #1 rated tackle panning out.
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I don't dislike Kamara. Me calling these picks luxuries is not hating the player. The selection of Anzalone just makes everything else look out of place. 76 was our chance to add our edge guy and we passed. How you can call that a reach for need is mind blowing & absud. Too much can happen 30 picks in between. It wasn't thin at that point but egde was starting to thin out.
kamara filled an offensive need. a playmaker who can actually get that 1st down we need, not come up 2 yards short (cadet).
anzalone should have been later, but he also is a guy who can fill a need. each LBer on the roster has a question mark.
can klein handle full time?
can ellerbe stayhealthy?
is anthony in the dog house?
is te'o just a 2-down lber?
roberson and stupar are last ditch guys
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That being said I have never seen you criticize anything the Saints have done. You have a fricking excuse for everything and honestly it's a waste of my fricking time even responding to you because you're so irrational when it comes to defending everything, and I do mean everything, this team does.
and every time you post something, its negative as clear as day. for everything you say is irrational from someone else, its equally as irrational from you.
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The Saints had 6 picks the last 2 days and got some good players, but it's hard to improve as a team when you add to your strong suits and do not address your weakest points.
yet they added guys at high needs and moderate needs...maybe not at the ideal spot but its not a one year process.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:18 am to Lester Earl
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Three straight 7-9's with historically bad defenses and you are gonna sit here and tell me picking OL(esp after the peat debacle ) and a RB is gonna keep us ahead of the 8 ball?? What planet are you on, frickface? What fricking 8 ball do you think we are ahead of???
know what other team last year needed defense in the worst way and decided to grab a RB instead?
Dallas.
They had a frickton of issues on defense as well and their offense minimized mistakes, bled clock, and their defense did just enough to prevent losses.
you act as if ball control can't win games because NE basically did that vs atlanta in the 2nd half.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:20 am to htran90
Mark Ingram was a luxury pick, they traded up for him . Pierre, ivory and we sign sproles that offseason
Vaccaro was a luxury pick. Malcom Jenkins Harper Quddus and add bush that offseason
Peat was a luxury pick. Taken as an OT when both spots were secure
Cooks was a luxury pick we traded picks to get him
I don't think it's coincidence we've been treading in our own shite continually picking players at positions that were already secure
Vaccaro was a luxury pick. Malcom Jenkins Harper Quddus and add bush that offseason
Peat was a luxury pick. Taken as an OT when both spots were secure
Cooks was a luxury pick we traded picks to get him
I don't think it's coincidence we've been treading in our own shite continually picking players at positions that were already secure
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:20 am to Lester Earl
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when you add to your strong suits
Called playing to your strengths.
But I guess we should just never go offense ever?
Like did we forget when the line deteriorated because it got ignored because it was a strength? Ditto on the receivers?
If you ignore your stengths long enough they become your weaknesses. And it's happened twice in the past to us.
But yeah let's ignore the line again so it becomes fricking garbage again. Let's let those receivers get old and ineffective (according to some here anyway).
You don't wait for something to become a problem to fix it. And in the draft you don't reach for need because you have a problem.
Sadly pass rush was not there in FA, and the draft fell in a weird way that had else going elsewhere. Yes we need a blue chipper, but are we going to cry about not getting someone in the second who has a low probability of being a blue chipper? 11 was the spot for it, but we had fricking Lattimore fall in our lap. I can't fault them for it.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:31 am to Lester Earl
Where would our HBs be now if not for Ingram? We are starting Hightower? Come on now. Ivory was injury prone. Sproles was not seen as an every down runner. We had PT to carry the load (which he could have but why where him down with too much?).
Quddus? Really? Also most on here HATED Harper and Jenkins. Safety was seen as in real need of an upgrade. Great revisionist history though.
Where would we be at guard without Peat? We would have needed two this year. So we "waste" a pick on guard and tackle in this draft? You are being super short sighted with these.
EVERYONE (except maybe me?) was complaing that our receivers were getting old and couldn't separate. You and me argued about it quite a bit. You said it was a big need. Now you say it was luxury? Wtf?
You have done a great job going back and trying to change the narrative.
Meanwhile the Saints were trying to find good players knowing 1-2 years later (or even that year) they would be starting.
I'll give you the missed picks. But I'm not giving you great players being luxury picks. Those are all guys that are or were huge for this team. We needed them even if it wasn't immediately.
And the draft isn't about immediately.
Quddus? Really? Also most on here HATED Harper and Jenkins. Safety was seen as in real need of an upgrade. Great revisionist history though.
Where would we be at guard without Peat? We would have needed two this year. So we "waste" a pick on guard and tackle in this draft? You are being super short sighted with these.
EVERYONE (except maybe me?) was complaing that our receivers were getting old and couldn't separate. You and me argued about it quite a bit. You said it was a big need. Now you say it was luxury? Wtf?
You have done a great job going back and trying to change the narrative.
Meanwhile the Saints were trying to find good players knowing 1-2 years later (or even that year) they would be starting.
I'll give you the missed picks. But I'm not giving you great players being luxury picks. Those are all guys that are or were huge for this team. We needed them even if it wasn't immediately.
And the draft isn't about immediately.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:35 am to htran90
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nd every time you post something, its negative as clear as day. for everything you say is irrational from someone else, its equally as irrational from you.
That's bullshite. I'm a die hard fan, but I'm not blind enough to think they do everything right. I praise them often it's just not controversial enough for you to pay attention to.
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who's to say he can't be a replacement this year. Who's to say there would even be a RT of his caliber next year? Any edge we would have taken at 32 would have been the 10th edge rusher taken. likelihood of that guy panning out is a lot worse than the #1 rated tackle panning
It didn't have to be an edge. This was a loaded defensive draft. And a weak weak weak OL draft. You realize the 7th or 8th CB or even the 10 ranked edge player can be better than the 2nd best OL in a weak OL draft, right ???
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yet they added guys at high needs and moderate needs...maybe not at the ideal spot but its not a one year process.
Not a one year process??? lol wut?
the draft isn't complicated but the Saints have made it that way. We have the least amount of picks of any team the last 8 years BY FAR. On top of that we have whole draft classes with ZERO fricking players remaining.
& your little homer arse is sitting here trying to justify the process of taking luxury players over dire need like there is some type of process plan here in place? Dude what?? I just want to fricking shake you. What are you smoking? I want some
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:44 am to bonethug0108
And on cue you just blindly spun everything I said.
Play to our strengths?? The offense might suffer??
Boney. What the frick about our defense? lol where would we be without peat, Ingram or vaccaro??? If football had a minor league like baseball, we would have been starting 6-7 minor league players on defense last year. And you want to act like Andrus Peat is saving our squad. What about our historically bad defense?
You want to crown guys like Peat and vaccaro but that is the Saints exact problem. Taking a box safety and a fricking guard in the top half of the first round is the definition of mediocre
Play to our strengths?? The offense might suffer??
Boney. What the frick about our defense? lol where would we be without peat, Ingram or vaccaro??? If football had a minor league like baseball, we would have been starting 6-7 minor league players on defense last year. And you want to act like Andrus Peat is saving our squad. What about our historically bad defense?
You want to crown guys like Peat and vaccaro but that is the Saints exact problem. Taking a box safety and a fricking guard in the top half of the first round is the definition of mediocre
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:44 am to Lester Earl
quote:Who did you want instead of Ramczyk?
It didn't have to be an edge. This was a loaded defensive draft. And a weak weak weak OL draft. You realize the 7th or 8th CB or even the 10 ranked edge player can be better than the 2nd best OL in a weak OL draft, right ???
We all know Saints were going to take Foster until 49ers moved up, so Saints took top player on their board. I'd call RT a secondary need over a luxury pick.
Kamara was more of a luxury pick IMO, but it really was an added pick to this draft (in exchange for next years 2nd). He still has immediate value and could see 150+ touches.
Anzalone is probably the one that sticks out to me. It wasn't the value (he was ranked #70 on the board I follow the most) but this was perfect spot to grab that back-end tier 2-3 EDGE guy: Bashem, Rivers, Williams.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:47 am to Lester Earl
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esp after the peat debacle
Not sure how a very good starting guard is a debacle. When we picked him we had traded Grubbs (iirc) and Evans and Strief were aging. He was always going to fit somewhere. Just because it wasn't tackle doesn't make it a bad pick.
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frickface
Really? Like the third time when I've NEVER personally attacked you. How old are you?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:50 am to Lester Earl
Yeah I'm the spinster, says the master spinster.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:51 am to drizztiger
Like I said man taking Rammy looked fine until they pushed edge all the way back to pick 103, and in the middle traded back in to take Kamara. Knowing what I know now I'd absolutely throw R2 back in the pool and trade him for someone else.
Then it got even worse when they passed on edge to take A2. The value had dissipated by pick 103. But was there at other points prior.
Then it got even worse when they passed on edge to take A2. The value had dissipated by pick 103. But was there at other points prior.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:51 am to tigerterrace
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DE: Jordan, Kikaha, Okafor, Hendrickson, Tapp
DT: Davison, Fairley, Rankins, Onyemata
LB: Klein, Roberson, Anthony, Ellerbe, Te'o, Anzalone, Stupar
CB: Breaux, Lattimore, Williams, Moore, Swann, Harris, Crawley
S: Vaccaro, Bell, Williams, Bush, Harris
That's some pretty damn good depth at every position in need.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:53 am to htran90
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LB: Klein, Roberson, Anthony, Ellerbe, Te'o, Anzalone, Stupar
Only two of those players are any good and one of them can't stay healthy.
Hate that we missed on Foster.
Even though I wasn't pro-Foster before the draft started. Man I'm so sick of our LB's being a mediocre group.
I like the picks in the secondary. Much needed.
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DT: Davison, fairley, Rankins, onyemata
man I hope Rankins and Fairley can get push up the middle. Davison looked better against the run last year. That was good to see.
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DE: Jordan, kikaha, Okafor, Hendrickson, tapp
only one of these guys is a big time player. I hope Okafor surprises me though.
Onyemata is a wild card maybe he develop his game more.. God I hope so.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 12:58 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:55 am to bonethug0108
You pick Peat at 13 to be a tackle then realize like 10 snaps in he can't play tackle and have to move him to guard and you think this is a good allocation of pick 13?
Yes you make the best out of it but it is exactly moves like this that have of franchise middling. It is hard to defend that but you find a way.
Yes you make the best out of it but it is exactly moves like this that have of franchise middling. It is hard to defend that but you find a way.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:56 am to GMoney2600
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He's probably going to be our returner as well. I assume Ginn will be his backup at returner
That's fine, but personally I feel like it's too early in this draft to pick a player who is going to primarily handle the return game.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:58 am to Lee County Tiger
He is going to do a lot more than punt returns. The return game is a bonus, not the feature.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 1:02 am to Lester Earl
So you don't need good guards? Brees had his best years with Evans and Nicks, and most people will tell you guard and center is more important for Brees to open up lanes and because he is GREAT at stepping up (if those guards and centers are holding up).
Who gives a frick if they wanted him to replace Strief initially? We needed to replace Grubbs, Evans, and Strief. As long as he filled one of those spots and did it well it was an excellent pick.
And lo and behold he has.
Also that bullshite about no guards early is insane. Same with center. It's where the player grades, not the position.
Who gives a frick if they wanted him to replace Strief initially? We needed to replace Grubbs, Evans, and Strief. As long as he filled one of those spots and did it well it was an excellent pick.
And lo and behold he has.
Also that bullshite about no guards early is insane. Same with center. It's where the player grades, not the position.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 1:03 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 1:07 am to bonethug0108
Where did I say you don't need good guards?
But if the logic is you are taking him to play tackle when you have 2 starting tackles, and he ends up not even being able to play the position, how is that a good thing?
Esp when your def is historically bad.
Wasting the 13 pick on a guy that has to play guard because he can't play tackle like you expected is embarrassing. Esp when you are desperate for defense.
But if the logic is you are taking him to play tackle when you have 2 starting tackles, and he ends up not even being able to play the position, how is that a good thing?
Esp when your def is historically bad.
Wasting the 13 pick on a guy that has to play guard because he can't play tackle like you expected is embarrassing. Esp when you are desperate for defense.
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