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re: #1 problem in previous years was addressed
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:45 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:45 am to Lester Earl
You are so spot on in this thread
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:46 am to windshieldman
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If Peat becomes a very good G and knowing he can swing out to LT in a pinch, then the pick was worth it. At the time we were struggling at G.
Its like they forget a guy like Kelechi Osemele was a LG, but can also play LT pretty well. That's quality talent you want and an insurance since Armstead seems to live with injuries.
Also, even with hindsight. Not taking the Peat pick, who do some of you people want? Marcus Peters? Because I swore that year we went on this whole rampage of kicking problem players out...
Or the other ones like:
Bud Dupree
Shane Ray
Arik Armstead
all of whom are worse than Peat.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:48 am to windshieldman
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At the time we were struggling at G.
G has been selected exactly 1 time (Jonathan Cooper) before pick 17 in the past decade... there's a reason for that... their value is not as high...
if they needed a G, draft a G... don't draft a guy you clearly wanted at T, and then by failing at that, relegate him to G and act like it was what you meant to do the whole time.... we fricked up on that pick, though it has worked out for us... and keep in mind, I said it all the way back on the night we drafted him that he was a G, thats where he was going to end up playing, and that he'd be actually a pro-bowl level G.... but i still didn't like that we went with him then, and i still don't like it now...
in that draft, just a few picks later, Marcus Williams, which would have solved a much greater need...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:48 am to Lester Earl
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We knew this going in. He was picked as a swiss army knife DB. So no shock there
Saints specifically said as did MJ they wanted him at CB.
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He was the 13th fricking pick in the draft Good god our expectations are low. You make best of what he has become but that pick is poor value
Well if their next highest rated defensive player was far off from Peat it was good value. I do agree they envisioned him as a RT to replace Strief, I don't consider a RT any more important than a LG in today's NFL. Again, with Armstead having injury concerns, it's good to know he can swing out to LT and play very well. Peat only had one really bad game last year and that was the first TB game. He has done well.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:51 am to chRxis
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if they needed a G, draft a G... don't draft a guy you clearly wanted at T, and then by failing at that, relegate him to G and act like it was what you meant to do the whole time.... we fricked up on that pick, though it has worked out for us... and keep in mind, I said it all the way back on the night we drafted him that he was a G, thats where he was going to end up playing, and that he'd be actually a pro-bowl level G.... but i still didn't like that we went with him then, and i still don't like it now
If Peat becomes a probowl G and you still don't think the pick was worth it I don't know what to tell you. quote:
in that draft, just a few picks later, Marcus Williams, which would have solved a much greater need...
Not gonna disagree, didn't we still have Gallette at the time though?
ETA: Or was he a CB? My bad, was thinking DE.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:55 am to htran90
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Because I swore that year we went on this whole rampage of kicking problem players out...
Yea, how'd that work out??
what a terrible fricking draft. But hey, at least we have a G who we thought would play T that we picked at 13 overall quote:
Or the other ones like:
Bud Dupree
Shane Ray
Arik Armstead
all of whom are worse than Peat.
would trade Peat for Ray 7 days out the week.
Ray would have led our team in sacks last year despite playing 400 snaps LESS than Cam Jordan.
and yea, that Marcus Peters guy is pretty good i hear
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:56 am to Lester Earl
is this thread where a bunch of grown men pretend to be 12 year old fan boys and defend their team blindly?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:59 am to chRxis
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G has been selected exactly 1 time (Jonathan Cooper) before pick 17 in the past decade... there's a reason for that... their value is not as high...
Its like some of yal forget.
Scherff and Collins
Both were projected Guards and both were projected top 15 picks.
Scherff goes 5th overall and plays RG (Yes he couldn't beat out Moses for RT) and has gone to the pro-bowl
the better guard Collins was UDFA for other reasons and beat out one of the highest paid guards in the league
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:00 am to NIH
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is this thread where a bunch of grown men pretend to be 12 year old fan boys and defend their team blindly?
It's not really that, at least for me. My biggest thing is draft is such a crap shoot. We could have drafted a DE or CB instead of a guy like Peat and that dude could have been a huge bust. As of last year, Peat has done what we needed him to do and is considered a player with a lot of "upside" so he has room to get much better.
Of course I'd take an all pro DE over an all pro G any day of the week. My thing is, as of now, Peat has worked out for us, we don't know if any of the other picks would have for the Saints. It's a crap shoot like I said, when you draft a guy, and turns out to be a good player, I'll take it, regardless of position.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:12 am to htran90
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Scherff goes 5th overall and plays RG (Yes he couldn't beat out Moses for RT) and has gone to the pro-bowl
he was drafted as a T... but spin it how you want... the FACT still remains... 1 time in 10 years of 32 picks has a guy listed as a G been selected before pick 17... once... out of 170 picks... you think that's because no one needed a G in 10 years?
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Collins
was LT in college that projected to G in the NFL... he MAY have gone in the top 10...
but even using those 2 and Project Peat, that's 4 guys in 170 picks... not exactly proving your point, bro... if anything, it solidifies mine...
the fact is, when you take an OL in the top 1/2 of the 1st, it's an OT... they have greater value than G... G usually go in the back end of the 1st, top of the 2nd, for the elite ones....
we've found better Gs than Peat in the middle rounds historically... it's one of the easier positions to find a starter in the later rounds... but yeah, let's still act like we got full value out of that pick for Peat...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:16 am to windshieldman
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We could have drafted a DE or CB instead of a guy like Peat and that dude could have been a huge bust.
the frustrating part is that we aren't even TRYING to solve our pass rush problem... we haven't selected an actual DE since Cam Jordan in 2011... and i'm not saying we haven't drafted a DE as good as Cam.... i'm saying we haven't drafted a single one.... the closed we have come to anything like a DE was Rufus fricking Johnson... if that's all you are going to do to try to bolster your pass rush, then you ain't fricking trying... and it's a shame, because we have wasted years with a HOF QB because of our refusal to address our biggest area of concern for years now...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:23 am to htran90
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DE: Jordan, kikaha, Okafor, Hendrickson, tapp
shitty... Jordan is the only quality guy there... we STILL have nothing across from him, depth be damned...
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LB: Klein, Roberson, Anthony, Ellerbe, Te'o, Anzalone, Stupar
shitty... bunch of ST guys if they were on other teams, yet we have to actually start some of these dudes.... pathetic....
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CB: Breaux, lattimore, Williams, Moore, Swann, Harris, Crawley
even without Lattimore, if you get a pass rush worth a shite, the other guys aren't bad options... and the "if healthy" could be applies to every single one of these dudes, including Savior Lattimore himself...
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DT: Davison, fairley, Rankins, onyemata
only solid group on the D, and they are young too.... if we could only apply our strategy that we employ at DT to the rest of the defense, we'd have a D that we could count on from time to time...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:25 am to chRxis
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he was drafted as a T... but spin it how you want... the FACT still remains... 1 time in 10 years of 32 picks has a guy listed as a G been selected before pick 17... once... out of 170 picks... you think that's because no one needed a G in 10 years?
he was a tackle, but almost EVERYONE had him slotted better at guard. I think almost every scouting site described him as a tackle, but better suited for guard.
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was LT in college that projected to G in the NFL... he MAY have gone in the top 10...
but even using those 2 and Project Peat, that's 4 guys in 170 picks... not exactly proving your point, bro... if anything, it solidifies mine...
the fact is, when you take an OL in the top 1/2 of the 1st, it's an OT... they have greater value than G... G usually go in the back end of the 1st, top of the 2nd, for the elite ones....
we've found better Gs than Peat in the middle rounds historically... it's one of the easier positions to find a starter in the later rounds... but yeah, let's still act like we got full value out of that pick for Peat...
history and how teams draft changes over time. Nobody expected a RB to be taken high again. Hell people were going CRAZY when 2 RBs were taken top 15 that year. Then the next year, Zeke gets taken at 4 and the following year 2 RBs in the top 8.
the same can be said of OG after the kind of line Dallas has created.
at 13 you're getting into a territory where the top end talent just aren't there. the last one of those had huge question marks. Of the next 10 players in the draft, peters was the only one who has outperformed peat.
like I said, even with hindsight and peters aside. who are you taking vs peat?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:25 am to chRxis
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i'm saying we haven't drafted a single one.... the closed w
Well Tull, but yea, I see your point
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:33 am to chRxis
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shitty... Jordan is the only quality guy there... we STILL have nothing across from him, depth be damned...
2 guys who have potential, who have produced when the snaps were given.
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shitty... bunch of ST guys if they were on other teams, yet we have to actually start some of these dudes.... pathetic....
klein can start on a lot of teams. its not a surprise that carolina's defense never missed a beat when davis or kuechly got hurt and klein stepped in. the only other one worth salt is ellerbe, but he is injury prone. The guy who would have fit was Riley but he was taken one pick before.
Jury out on Anthony, some reports said he was injured. others said dog house. we'll see
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even without Lattimore, if you get a pass rush worth a shite, the other guys aren't bad options... and the "if healthy" could be applies to every single one of these dudes, including Savior Lattimore himself...
if healthy, we'll see. pj williams was derailed off of a freak incident. it wasn't a surprise when breaux and pj went down things went south fast..
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:54 am to htran90
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like I said, even with hindsight and peters aside. who are you taking vs peat?
Peters, Ray, Thompson, Jones, Collins... or even package your 2 1st rounders, if that's what it takes, and go get Beasley...
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it wasn't a surprise when breaux and pj went down things went south fast..
no shite huh? how many teams in the NFL do you think wouldn't have much drop off if their 2 top CB's went down at the same time?
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 1:04 pm to chRxis
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He was drafted as a T... but spin it how you want...
So was Peat so who's the one spinning things?
Fact is plenty of guys drafted at tackle play guard. There are more guards that played tackle in college than played guard because 9 out of 10 they are better athletes.
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