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#1 problem in previous years was addressed
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:15 pm
No, I'm not talking about pass rush. The issue that has plagued us has been depth.
Stating with the 2014 season and draft, our depth has been horrible.
With 6 picks in the top 103, we walked away with 4 high snap/starters:
Lattimore CB, ramcyzk ot, Williams fs, Kamara scatback
2 rotation guys with upside
Anzalone lb and Hendrickson de
Qb: brees
Rb: Ingram, Peterson, Kamara, lasco
WR: Thomas, snead, Ginn, Coleman, tommylee
TE: Fleener, hill, hooman
OL: armstead, peat, Unger, Warford, ramcyzk, strief, turner, and kelemete
DE: Jordan, kikaha, Okafor, Hendrickson, tapp
DT: Davison, fairley, Rankins, onyemata
LB: Klein, Roberson, Anthony, Ellerbe, Te'o, Anzalone, Stupar
CB: Breaux, lattimore, Williams, Moore, Swann, Harris, Crawley
S: vaccaro, bell, Williams, bush, Harris
Stating with the 2014 season and draft, our depth has been horrible.
With 6 picks in the top 103, we walked away with 4 high snap/starters:
Lattimore CB, ramcyzk ot, Williams fs, Kamara scatback
2 rotation guys with upside
Anzalone lb and Hendrickson de
Qb: brees
Rb: Ingram, Peterson, Kamara, lasco
WR: Thomas, snead, Ginn, Coleman, tommylee
TE: Fleener, hill, hooman
OL: armstead, peat, Unger, Warford, ramcyzk, strief, turner, and kelemete
DE: Jordan, kikaha, Okafor, Hendrickson, tapp
DT: Davison, fairley, Rankins, onyemata
LB: Klein, Roberson, Anthony, Ellerbe, Te'o, Anzalone, Stupar
CB: Breaux, lattimore, Williams, Moore, Swann, Harris, Crawley
S: vaccaro, bell, Williams, bush, Harris
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 11:17 pm
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:21 pm to htran90
Depth is pointless when your starters suck
#1 problem has been poor drafting. And after every draft you have hoped to have added talented players.
Point is, you can't gauge that now. Having "numbers" at a position is pointless if they aren't good.
Also adding "depth" at RB & OL when you actually need starting caliber players on defense is dangerous
#1 problem has been poor drafting. And after every draft you have hoped to have added talented players.
Point is, you can't gauge that now. Having "numbers" at a position is pointless if they aren't good.
Also adding "depth" at RB & OL when you actually need starting caliber players on defense is dangerous
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:22 pm to htran90
I'll be honest. I'm just glad those 4 arent project picks like we have had in the past. Even if its not who I wanted, I'll take 4 starters.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:24 pm to Lester Earl
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Also adding "depth" at RB & OL when you actually need starting caliber players on defense is dangerous
That's where I'm at. And where is Ratdick starting? over Strief?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:26 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Agree with all of this.
Depth is pointless when your starters suck
#1 problem has been poor drafting. And after every draft you have hoped to have added talented players.
Point is, you can't gauge that now. Having "numbers" at a position is pointless if they aren't good.
Also adding "depth" at RB & OL when you actually need starting caliber players on defense is dangerous
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:28 pm to Lester Earl
Lattimore and Williams are both starting caliber with high upside. These two need to be day 1 high snap players
Anzalone and Hendrickson are high floor guys as well. These two we can live with them only being in the rotation for year 1 or early in the season
All 4 address problems while giving us options for later.
Kamara fills a huge hole on offense since sproles. That kind of player always gets high snaps
Ramcyzk is a known mauler for a line and offense that desperately needs a stable run game. We also use an additional tackle very often.
If we walk away with 4 starters with 2 rotation guys in the top 103...That's very legit.
Anzalone and Hendrickson are high floor guys as well. These two we can live with them only being in the rotation for year 1 or early in the season
All 4 address problems while giving us options for later.
Kamara fills a huge hole on offense since sproles. That kind of player always gets high snaps
Ramcyzk is a known mauler for a line and offense that desperately needs a stable run game. We also use an additional tackle very often.
If we walk away with 4 starters with 2 rotation guys in the top 103...That's very legit.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:28 pm to htran90
Good analysis, Htran. I'm coming around. Just wasn't a big fan of Anzalone (I wanted Duke Riley) but I'm more than willing to be wrong.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:30 pm to htran90
If Lattimore plays like you'd expect a rookie corner to play and Fairley, Bell, and Kikaha don't take big leaps the defense doesn't look much better.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:30 pm to swamie
That would be the expectation. If he doesn't play at RT then he doesn't have a spot anywhere unless someone gets injured.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:31 pm to swamie
Ok so you have presented 49...Add in Daniel at Back up QB, Morstead, Lutz and a LS and that is 53 players. Your roster is set...
QB: Brees
Rb: Ingram, Peterson, Kamara, Lasco
WR: Thomas, Snead, Ginn, Coleman, Tommylee
TE: Fleener, Hill, Hooman
OL: Armstead, Peat, Unger, Warford, Ramcyzk, Strief, Turner, and Kelemete
DE: Jordan, Kikaha, Okafor, Hendrickson, Tapp
DT: Davison, Fairley, Rankins, Onyemata
LB: Klein, Roberson, Anthony, Ellerbe, Te'o, Anzalone, Stupar
CB: Breaux, Lattimore, Williams, Moore, Swann, Harris, Crawley
S: Vaccaro, Bell, Williams, Bush, Harris
QB: Brees
Rb: Ingram, Peterson, Kamara, Lasco
WR: Thomas, Snead, Ginn, Coleman, Tommylee
TE: Fleener, Hill, Hooman
OL: Armstead, Peat, Unger, Warford, Ramcyzk, Strief, Turner, and Kelemete
DE: Jordan, Kikaha, Okafor, Hendrickson, Tapp
DT: Davison, Fairley, Rankins, Onyemata
LB: Klein, Roberson, Anthony, Ellerbe, Te'o, Anzalone, Stupar
CB: Breaux, Lattimore, Williams, Moore, Swann, Harris, Crawley
S: Vaccaro, Bell, Williams, Bush, Harris
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:31 pm to saintsfan22
Overall good draft and all, but I have no expectation that anyone picked in the 3rd round will contribute except Kamara. It's just kind of a bonus if it works out. The nature of the draft is that those picks typically aren't high percentage hits. I'm just left feeling like despite feeling like a good draft we probably haven't added enough to defense to move the needle all that much.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:33 pm to John McClane
I think Riley is going to be better. Anzalone has potential, but injury has bitten him often.
The benefit is we play with only 2 lbers so often, we have a good hit of quality guys. Not world beaters but good enough to not be a weak link consistently.
Klein will be a starter. The question is who will step up? Can Anthony return from injury and the dog house? If Ellerbe is healthy he's my pick. If not he's gonna be cut for $. Te'o is a camp body with potential for depth. Anzalone can be that guy if he shows his health and potential early. Roberson and Stupar should be if we're that bitten.
The benefit is we play with only 2 lbers so often, we have a good hit of quality guys. Not world beaters but good enough to not be a weak link consistently.
Klein will be a starter. The question is who will step up? Can Anthony return from injury and the dog house? If Ellerbe is healthy he's my pick. If not he's gonna be cut for $. Te'o is a camp body with potential for depth. Anzalone can be that guy if he shows his health and potential early. Roberson and Stupar should be if we're that bitten.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:34 pm to htran90
The Kamara pick bothers me for reasons I can't explain. I just feel like I'd rather that pick go towards D since the offense at this point feels like it's a plug and play type situation.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:35 pm to tigerterrace
There's always surprises in camp. One lber will be gone. We may find another wide receiver. We may find a diamond corner or dline
Also can't predict what Ingram does in training camp lol
Also can't predict what Ingram does in training camp lol
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:36 pm to htran90
Anzalone is not a high floor guy. He's the definition of boom or bust low floor. I'm not sure that high floor even exists in the draft outside of the first round and maybe some kickers, punters, and fullbacks.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:36 pm to htran90
I have no problem with the DBs. Second biggest need.
But you took luxury players at 32 and 67. And waited to 103 to get the biggest need. That's misuse of assets. You can't sugar coat it
But you took luxury players at 32 and 67. And waited to 103 to get the biggest need. That's misuse of assets. You can't sugar coat it
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:50 pm to Lester Earl
Yes luxury because the draft is just about this year right?
This is Strief's last year. It was always going to be. We got the #1/2 tackle in the draft. Next year we would be scrambling to replace him.
Peterson is how old? And coming off of injury. I think he has one good year left, two at best. Ingram has two years on his deal. HB was going to be a huge problem very soon. Instead we got an absolute steal that fits us perfectly, and didn't "waste" a pick this year to get him (unless you count the 7th). 99% of the people here would have been dancing with Kamara at 42 if we took CB and DE in the first (not that it matters but y'all crazy when it comes to the NEED thing).
Those picks were far from luxury. They were great value and perfect fits that keep us ahead of the 8 ball.
But many here would rather reach for need even though those very same people (you too Les) bitch about reaching for need.
Y'all bitch when they do things exactly like y'all say they should do them, but would bitch more if they had reached.
This is Strief's last year. It was always going to be. We got the #1/2 tackle in the draft. Next year we would be scrambling to replace him.
Peterson is how old? And coming off of injury. I think he has one good year left, two at best. Ingram has two years on his deal. HB was going to be a huge problem very soon. Instead we got an absolute steal that fits us perfectly, and didn't "waste" a pick this year to get him (unless you count the 7th). 99% of the people here would have been dancing with Kamara at 42 if we took CB and DE in the first (not that it matters but y'all crazy when it comes to the NEED thing).
Those picks were far from luxury. They were great value and perfect fits that keep us ahead of the 8 ball.
But many here would rather reach for need even though those very same people (you too Les) bitch about reaching for need.
Y'all bitch when they do things exactly like y'all say they should do them, but would bitch more if they had reached.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:53 pm to bonethug0108
all of that.
to add on, good teams can get over injuries. because they drafted well for potential depth.
klein is a starter for most teams in the NFL, yet he sat there behind two elite LBers. When either one got injured, he got called upon and the dropoff wasn't steep.
Us on the other hand, the world falls apart the second we lose someone.
to add on, good teams can get over injuries. because they drafted well for potential depth.
klein is a starter for most teams in the NFL, yet he sat there behind two elite LBers. When either one got injured, he got called upon and the dropoff wasn't steep.
Us on the other hand, the world falls apart the second we lose someone.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:54 pm to Lee County Tiger
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The Kamara pick bothers me for reasons I can't explain. I just feel like I'd rather that pick go towards D since the offense at this point feels like it's a plug and play type situation.
He's probably going to be our returner as well. I assume Ginn will be his backup at returner.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:01 am to bonethug0108
It's hard to argue with people that will never admit the Saints would do wrong but I'll guess I'll try.
If Strief needs to be replaced, take his replacement next year. You don't need a year of grooming when you could have hit on an immediate need at another position.
I don't dislike Kamara. Me calling these picks luxuries is not hating the player. The selection of Anzalone just makes everything else look out of place. 76 was our chance to add our edge guy and we passed. How you can call that a reach for need is mind blowing & absud. Too much can happen 30 picks in between. It wasn't thin at that point but egde was starting to thin out.
That being said I have never seen you criticize anything the Saints have done. You have a fricking excuse for everything and honestly it's a waste of my fricking time even responding to you because you're so irrational when it comes to defending everything, and I do mean everything, this team does.
The Saints had 6 picks the last 2 days and got some good players, but it's hard to improve as a team when you add to your strong suits and do not address your weakest points.
If Strief needs to be replaced, take his replacement next year. You don't need a year of grooming when you could have hit on an immediate need at another position.
I don't dislike Kamara. Me calling these picks luxuries is not hating the player. The selection of Anzalone just makes everything else look out of place. 76 was our chance to add our edge guy and we passed. How you can call that a reach for need is mind blowing & absud. Too much can happen 30 picks in between. It wasn't thin at that point but egde was starting to thin out.
That being said I have never seen you criticize anything the Saints have done. You have a fricking excuse for everything and honestly it's a waste of my fricking time even responding to you because you're so irrational when it comes to defending everything, and I do mean everything, this team does.
The Saints had 6 picks the last 2 days and got some good players, but it's hard to improve as a team when you add to your strong suits and do not address your weakest points.
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