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Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:37 pm to Crewz
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:37 pm to Crewz
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Because you guys look at roster and raw talent. I think I value culture, bball IQ, and intabgibles way more than you guys do. Not saying I am right and you or wrong, but that is where we differ. I think that is 80% if the game and you guys seem to think 99%!or winning is names on a depth chart
Pretty fair IMO
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:48 pm to eyeran
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There's a laundry list of guys that were supposedly low IQ and/or shitty intangibles types...until they weren't.
Half the early 2000s Jailblazers, for example.
Just skip forward to this season. Eric Gordon is the 2nd best player on one of the best teams in the league. Something happen to him in the few months between New Orleans and Houston? Never in my life have I heard high IQ or intangibles used to describe his game.
Where you play and who you play with makes a massive impact.
Javale Mcgee...is a contributor on the best team in the league.
Then there are the Rondo types that were definitely held in check by landing in stable environments, but fell apart afterwards.
you're proving crewzy's point here
Guys like Gordon and McGee are thriving in a stable environment w/ high IQ guys. Teams with leaders and grit.
Rondo was one the guy who held people in check! But since he left BOS none of those teams had the killers that he needed around him
If your 3 best are AD, Cousins, Jrue, who is instilling the culture we need? Cuz if they aint, who is? I think Msquared is dead on here
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:10 pm to GynoSandberg
What I don't get are the people who say that we have AD, DC, and JH so the sky is the limit.
We still have 3 terrible contracts, 2 of which are in the running for the worst contract ever (Asik & Hill) with no clear way how to get rid of any of them other than maybe Asik and we may have to pay Holiday $20+ million a year to stay and he's been atrocious since the break.
Also he's been playing ok but it's clear Boogie doesn't fit in a Gentry "offense" he's exhausted by the 3rd quarter every game
We still have 3 terrible contracts, 2 of which are in the running for the worst contract ever (Asik & Hill) with no clear way how to get rid of any of them other than maybe Asik and we may have to pay Holiday $20+ million a year to stay and he's been atrocious since the break.
Also he's been playing ok but it's clear Boogie doesn't fit in a Gentry "offense" he's exhausted by the 3rd quarter every game
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:11 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:You even read his posts?
you're proving crewzy's point here
Guys like Gordon and McGee are thriving in a stable environment w/ high IQ guys.
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Our three guys have talent. And no, I don't think they will get these things with a new coach. A guy like Jason Kidd was always going to understand the game, regardless of his coach. A guy like JR Smith was always gonna be a talented idiot, regardless of his coach.
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You guys can all hope they get a new coach and that guy turns on this magical light for these players that clearly don't have 1/10th the ability mentally that they have physically. But I aint holding out hope. With IQ, leadership. etc. you either have it at this point or you dont
Also,
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Rondo was one the guy who held people in check!
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:27 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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We still have 3 terrible contracts
You'd probably have to burn picks to clear cap space but it's doable if the right guy is available. Even if the right guy isn't available Ajinca should be moveable either by paying a little to dump him or by including him as salary in a bigger deal. Asik is stretchable.
Hill probably isn't going anywhere so he needs to work on layups and his 3 point shot, but MM threw out an interesting proposal in the podcast. Our 2018 pick top 3 protected + Hill for Jeremy Lin. That's not crazy to think they'd say yes. The Nets are asset starved and have plenty of excess cap space that's going to waste (They're $11 million below the cap this year).
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:36 pm to TigerinATL
Need a new coach. Benson isn't selling the team, and if he does the Pels will leave, so that line of thinking is foolish.
Benson won't fire Gentry but will stretch Asik? That position makes no sense.
Benson won't fire Gentry but will stretch Asik? That position makes no sense.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:45 pm to Crewz
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I aint holding out hope. With IQ, leadership. etc. you either have it at this point or you dont
Yeah, but that kind of leadership can also be provided by someone that isn't the top dog. It just needs to come from a 6th man or better with enough swag to want the last shot and enough talent to make it.
Jarrett Jack provided a ton of vocal leadership in CP3's last year here when he was half assing it. Tyreke was that guy for the Montycans, RIP Straight Gas. Leadership and go to scorer potential was a big part of the excitement over Buddy. They just need someone to help them get their heads out of their asses when things go poorly.
I'm certainly not saying Jordan Crawford is that guy, but he's stepped in and made plays when everyone else has been so shell shocked they can't get out of their own way. You've been talking about them needing an irrational confidence scorer for a while now. Maybe that's all the leadership they need to keep them headed in a direction that lets their talent take over.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:48 pm to Solo
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Benson won't fire Gentry but will stretch Asik? That position makes no sense.
It's not a principle thing, it's a bottom line thing. Asik's salary is already accounted for in the budget. Replacing him within the confines of the salary cap and team budget is Demps' problem. Paying Gentry $4 million and his replacement that much or more is probably a big enough expense that it becomes Benson's problem.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:54 am to Crewz
quote:how bout you make an argument to what I said instead of being a fish stick eater.
Listen to the actual context and actual words, then have an opinion. Too much to ask, or nah?
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:18 am to Ryan3232
Yeah, I have a hard time committing that much time on a podcast deflecting blame away from the actual problems and towards the only reason New Orleans even has a franchise.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:36 am to Number 31
I don't live in New Orleans so I don't care that they have the team. I would prefer they play in Seattle if it means they were run competently. Again, we can disagree on this. That is fine. We don't all have to convert each other to the same exact belief
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:37 am to GynoSandberg
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Guys like Gordon and McGee are thriving in a stable environment w/ high IQ guys. Teams with leaders and grit.
Not just players either. The organizations themselves matter too.
There's a reason the Spurs always find players and teams +like the Pels or Kings) have guys flop.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:47 am to corndeaux
I agree. You get the right guy or two in here and the right coach and then AD, Boogie, and Jrue can follow them. I never said that was impossible
It's just unfortunate to have three guys with fantastic talent but no leadership qualities and average to below average on court IQ. I can't think of many great teams whose top guys weren't the leaders, but I suppose it is possible
It's just unfortunate to have three guys with fantastic talent but no leadership qualities and average to below average on court IQ. I can't think of many great teams whose top guys weren't the leaders, but I suppose it is possible
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:58 am to Crewz
I think it's because these guys are so young and haven't had any season worth anything to really have that "vet" mentality. None of them has been through anything. And the organization clearly doesn't care
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:02 am to Crewz
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I don't live in New Orleans so I don't care that they have the team. I would prefer they play in Seattle if it means they were run competently. Again, we can disagree on this.
sure, but do you understand how stupid this is to say on a Pels board on a Louisiana sports site?
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:29 am to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
Why? Cause then people won't like me?? I think we are WELL beyond that point.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:36 am to Crewz
You're welcome for all of this amazing free advertising for your podcast.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:50 am to Fun Bunch
Doesn't matter. Again, don't make a penny off it. Two can listen or two hundred thousand. All the same to me. I just like an excuse to talk to Ryan
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:28 am to Crewz
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Why? Cause then people won't like me?? I think we are WELL beyond that point.
no I just think it doesn't make much sense to try to converse with Pels fans about the state of the franchise when at the end of the day, most Pels fans have civic pride and municipal wellbeing somewhere in their calculus for wanting the team to succeed and you don't.
I want the pels to be good because it'd be cool to be the fan of a winning NBA franchise, but having 2 pro teams also makes New Orleans a higher profile city, adds money to the coffers, etc. If they aren't good, they will move. They aren't the Saints. The state won't bend over backwards to save them.
if you just don't give a frick where they are because for some reason you ended up a fan of them, you're going to have a pretty major difference in your POV from anyone here.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:31 am to Crewz
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Why? Cause then people won't like me?? I think we are WELL beyond that point.
It is counter productive to having conversations about basketball and purposefully inflammatory.
You know the reaction it will get. It makes the conversation about you and people flaming you instead of about basketball.
It just isn't necessary.
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