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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:27 pm to
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:27 pm to
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yes it was being homerish because as talented as the Big 3asy is they are all still career Losers that have won nothing and lack Fire and Leadership.
this is a dumb argument imo. All 3 of them were the best player on their team surrounded by nothing. (talking about Jrue in Philly before he came here)


All of them were on great college teams and were the leaders of those teams.
Posted by D011ahbi11
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:27 pm to
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I thought he retired?


Yea, what happened? When did he come out of retirement? I see he's back on twitter now too.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:31 pm to
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AD and Boogie tell Loomis they'll resign/extend only if the team hires the coach and GM they want.
Should happen this offseason. No reason for another Byron Scott situation.

Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:32 pm to
Listen to the actual context and actual words, then have an opinion. Too much to ask, or nah?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:32 pm to
Where's the vacuum when u need it
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:37 pm to
And again, you are looking at their raw talent. I am looking at their lack of:

-Basketball IQ
- Emotional Resilience
- Leadership
- Ability to make others better/smarter
- Sheer will

The greats, and guys who consistently win, have this AND talent. Our three guys have talent. And no, I don't think they will get these things with a new coach. A guy like Jason Kidd was always going to understand the game, regardless of his coach. A guy like JR Smith was always gonna be a talented idiot, regardless of his coach.

I will take a bunch of 7's in raw talent with 10's in intelligence and intangibles over 10 in talent, 7 in intelligence any day. Now, I might be wrong, but that is the core of where you all differ from me
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:42 pm to
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Should happen this offseason. No reason for another Byron Scott situation.


They don't have the actual leverage this offseason though. Anything they promise now are just words. Loomis would have to look at all the tickets Cousins has sold and feel paying Gentry $4 million and Cal $10 was justified. Maybe it happens but I'm not betting on it.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:52 pm to
I think a lot of those things are a matter of circumstance.

You cited Draymond Green as an example of a guy with those attributes. While I agree Draymond has a high bball IQ, I think he'd be looked at worse than Cousins around the league if he was drafted by about 25 other teams. Might not even be in the league anymore. He ended up in a perfect situation, where all of his nonsense and BS is looked at as "leadership" and "will to win"

He's less talented than Cousins, but just as volatile and just as much of an arse hole, but happened to end up on the perfect team for him with the perfect coach. And even still, might have costed his team a championship.

I do think Davis lacks a lot of the leadership qualities you'd like your best player to have, but I totally disagree with rest of your assessment of his makeup.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:00 pm to
That's fine. We can disagree. But I am not being emo or a pessimist. That is my honest assessment. I don't see any intangibles, IQ, or leadership with any of these three. And I just value all that stuff way too much. I look at the Spurs and see them win with half the talent on some nights when they are resting guys. And even when they have their full roster, they are probably only the 10th or 11th most talented roster in the league. But they are elite every year.

IQ and intangibles.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22096 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:04 pm to
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They don't have the actual leverage this offseason though. Anything they promise now are just words. Loomis would have to look at all the tickets Cousins has sold and feel paying Gentry $4 million and Cal $10 was justified. Maybe it happens but I'm not betting on it.
Oh ok. I got u.

I've said since Monty was here that Loomis would never make a Pelicans move that would threaten any of the, totally disgusting, control he has over the franchise. Right now, getting rid of Loomis means turning over two franchises. Even though Benson already seems to cherish Loomis like a child, running the Pelicans gives him even more leverage.

I don't think he'd ever voluntarily hand over any of that power, to bring in Cal.

I believe John Reid when he reported Cal's people called, basically looking for the Stan Van Gundy package. Loomis would never go for that though.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:10 pm to
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I don't think he'd ever voluntarily hand over any of that power, to bring in Cal.


That's why I think it's got to be next summer when Cousins is a UFA and AD can agree to the DPE. If the choice is lock 2 stars up for 5 more years or see Cousins walk and AD force a trade, even Loomis has to blink, right?
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22096 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:12 pm to
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If the choice is lock 2 stars up for 5 more years or see Cousins walk and AD force a trade, even Loomis has to blink, right?
I laughed, because Im honestly not sure he would
Posted by BSB1988
Member since Jun 2016
383 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:20 pm to
I agree with your thought process but don't you find the thought of going through another season with Gentry as head coach a little depressing
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61514 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:35 pm to
Cal needs to Trojan Horse it, just ask for money and not power. The power will come with the money. If you owe your bank $100k, you have a problem. But if you owe $1 million, it has a problem.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:54 pm to
The Spurs also have the best coach in the history of basketball.

The Pelicans have a bum
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:57 pm to
That's fine. But CP3 had Byron Scott and he still played brilliant basketball

You guys can all hope they get a new coach and that guy turns on this magical light for these players that clearly don't have 1/10th the ability mentally that they have physically. But I aint holding out hope. With IQ, leadership. etc. you either have it at this point or you dont
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115958 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:58 pm to
Also to be fair you echoed many of my thoughts, i.e. Whether there's an Asik effect to resigning Jrue, having a PG be a top priority and playing Jrue at SG, etc.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:00 pm to
Thank you for being fair, NOW. lol

I admit, the one part was very, very dark. But it wasn't the full podcast.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115958 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:17 pm to
I was joking with the OP. I listened to the entire thing. I enjoyed it. But it was a inherently pessimistic edition. Sign of the times.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22096 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:28 pm to
There's a laundry list of guys that were supposedly low IQ and/or shitty intangibles types...until they weren't.

Half the early 2000s Jailblazers, for example.

Just skip forward to this season. Eric Gordon is the 2nd best player on one of the best teams in the league. Something happen to him in the few months between New Orleans and Houston? Never in my life have I heard high IQ or intangibles used to describe his game.

Where you play and who you play with makes a massive impact.

Javale Mcgee...is a contributor on the best team in the league.

Then there are the Rondo types that were definitely held in check by landing in stable environments, but fell apart afterwards.

Also,
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I don't see any intangibles, IQ, or leadership with any of these three
There's nothing darker. There's no path forward if thats really the case.
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