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re: The Crewz Memorial "Insider Info" 2k17 Trade Simulator Thread: Official
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:59 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:59 pm to corndeaux
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Why wouldnt they just cut the Pels out, toss in some picks, like O'Connor offered, and Noel for McCollum?
1) I don't think Portland wants a bunch of picks. Noel as the only present asset returned probably costs them any shot at the playoffs. If they didn't tank when they had very good reason to, why would they do it now? Again, we're not talking top 5 picks here, more like 10ish.
2) They probably would still want to dump Leonard in a Noel for McCollum 2 team deal, so I don't think it's a question of "why would Philly do that?", it's more, how much does it take to get them to do that? And maybe Philly takes it's ball and goes home and refuses to be a facilitator if it can't get McCollum. Or maybe they decide they still have ridiculous amounts of cap space that is going to waste that can net them a mid 1st and early 2nd. They are $20 million below the cap this year and have even less committed next year if they move Noel and the cap is going up. Tough choice, pay your current players extra to get up to the salary floor or take that money on an overpaid but useful player that also gives you draft assets?
Maybe Portland can get a better return on those 2 picks than Holiday, and dumping Leonard, but there aren't a ton of better players that fit than Holiday on the market. Would they have interest in Millsap? Galinarri?
The Bottom line is this isn't about Philly or NOLA trading for McCollum, this is about Portland trading McCollum. The only way the Pels would likely be involved is if Portland wanted Holiday, and in that case they could find another facilitator if Philly wasn't interested.
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:19 pm to TigerinATL
I mean, I think at the end of the day you need to find out if Portland actually wants Holiday. Like you say.
If they don't this is a non-starter. It is just unfortunate that it seems ownership has such tunnel vision and little patience for long-term strategy that "press conference winning" moves are all that are allowed.
Philly should actually once again be a lesson of sorts. They still have almost double the losses compared to wins. 13th in the East. Yet, contrary to popular assumption about losing teams, they are climbing in attendance. The biggest year to year jump in average attendance of any team. Seems having exciting, young, up and coming talent can sometimes fill seats. Meanwhile our blue collar strategy has dropped our average attendance by around 1000.
If they don't this is a non-starter. It is just unfortunate that it seems ownership has such tunnel vision and little patience for long-term strategy that "press conference winning" moves are all that are allowed.
Philly should actually once again be a lesson of sorts. They still have almost double the losses compared to wins. 13th in the East. Yet, contrary to popular assumption about losing teams, they are climbing in attendance. The biggest year to year jump in average attendance of any team. Seems having exciting, young, up and coming talent can sometimes fill seats. Meanwhile our blue collar strategy has dropped our average attendance by around 1000.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:26 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Philly should actually once again be a lesson of sorts. They still have almost double the losses compared to wins. 13th in the East. Yet, contrary to popular assumption about losing teams, they are climbing in attendance. The biggest year to year jump in average attendance of any team. Seems having exciting, young, up and coming talent can sometimes fill seats. Meanwhile our blue collar strategy has dropped our average attendance by around 1000.
Watching young players develop and the excitement for future progress is entertaining. If you don't have a contender, then you need some narrative to keep fans entertained and invested. Fighting to break 40% in the W-L column chasing the 8 seed with a broken roster doesn't cut it.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:39 pm to NOFOX
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Watching young players develop and the excitement for future progress is entertaining. If you don't have a contender, then you need some narrative to keep fans entertained and invested
all of that + what Bronco said. especially in a small market w/o much history. fans want to feel connection-look how long people stayed on Rivers island and how much love Hield gets- it doesn't work with guys they dont know and a roster reboot every 3-4 years.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:41 pm to NOFOX
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Watching young players develop and the excitement for future progress is entertaining. If you don't have a contender, then you need some narrative to keep fans entertained and invested. Fighting to break 40% in the W-L column chasing the 8 seed with a broken roster doesn't cut it.
It is something I never took notice and considered until I saw the numbers, but it kinda pushes back on one of those old assumptions that tries to tether wins to attendance and thus revenue. That until the wins really start coming you can't build on low attendance.
Hence, why accelerating a re-build makes some sense financially. And to be fair if you knock it out the park like signing a Harden then yeah, it will win every time. But this to me at least shows that a slow rebuild is not necessarily a financially stagnating period for a team. At least once you get a couple exciting players that build some buzz. Plus the added benefit of a lower payroll.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:46 pm to TigerinATL
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I don't think Portland wants a bunch of picks. Noel as the only present asset returned probably costs them any shot at the playoffs
i dunno. with their payroll (guaranteed $129M next year), locking in cheap, long term talent makes some sense to me. plus, if they believe Noel is an excellent anchor/rim protector, i dont think it's a tanking move to go after him
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Again, we're not talking top 5 picks here, more like 10ish.
Philly is hot right now. they still could fall back. very easily- Embiid will be on minutes restriction the rest of the way. we're talking about finding good players for the Pels there, why can't Portland? they're in a similar spot as the Pels. a rickety foundation around an All-NBA performer w/o a lot of flexibility.
also, why wouldn't philly include the Lakers pick? top 3 protected, so it may not convey, but unprotected in 2018.
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this is about Portland trading McCollum. The only way the Pels would likely be involved is if Portland wanted Holiday, and in that case they could find another facilitator if Philly wasn't interested.
thats true. i just dont think they can find another facilitator to either sweeten the deal or take on salary (Leonard or Turner are both lol-worthy right now) as easily as you do
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:50 pm to corndeaux
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all of that + what Bronco said. especially in a small market w/o much history. fans want to feel connection-look how long people stayed on Rivers island and how much love Hield gets- it doesn't work with guys they dont know and a roster reboot every 3-4 years.
Not to keep derailing...but I will.
And I get the feeling that ownership(and maybe Demps too) has to think they can force those connections and "buzz" in some capacity by targeting Louisiana tied players(Galloway, targeting Monroe, Millsap). But I don't really think that works. Not as a substitute surely. If a player is buzz generating for other reasons, it can help additionally(see Marcus Thornton). But I don't think you sign a Monroe or Milsap and his roots automatically brings another 800 people in every game.
...Though that might all be coincidence.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:52 pm to corndeaux
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Philly is hot right now. they still could fall back. very easily- Embiid will be on minutes restriction the rest of the way. we're talking about finding good players for the Pels there, why can't Portland? they're in a similar spot as the Pels. a rickety foundation around an All-NBA performer w/o a lot of flexibility.
also, why wouldn't philly include the Lakers pick? top 3 protected, so it may not convey, but unprotected in 2018.
Philly also has a pick swap with Sac if the Sac pick is 1-10. Considering Gay is done, easy to see them falling back.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:03 pm to corndeaux
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i just dont think they can find another facilitator to either sweeten the deal or take on salary (Leonard or Turner are both lol-worthy right now) as easily as you do
Philly is ideal both for paying to dump Leonard with all that wasted cap space and giving a rim protector back. Brooklyn might take Leonard/Turner for assets, but they can't give you a rim protector. Orlando is a big enough mess that maybe you can get Biyombo from them. But can you do both with just your 2017 picks? What if you throw in Diallo? The question is how good can McCollum be? If he's as good as MM thinks he can be then you'd be foolish not to put everything besides AD and maybe Buddy into the mix. Although the idea of Demps going all in based on what he thinks a player can be should scare the hell out of everyone here.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 12:33 am to Crewz
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To tell the truth: I do things for fun. My goal was to see if I could make you guys like me and ask me for my opinions and info- slurping on me like the people at PR did. You guys HATED me before I came on here, so I tried that and accomplished it.
Then, as soon as I accomplished that I set out a goal to make you guys hate me even more then you did before. And here we are. Next step will be to start a new account when you least expect it and make you love jay character, then reveal to you it is me
Playing with humans brains brings me joy. And I will accomplish the third just like I did the first two. Watch.
One day, the touch of a woman and the warm viscosity of a vagina will change you
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:39 am to GynoSandberg
Or he will find the right man to treat him the way he likes
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:42 am to GynoSandberg
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One day, the touch of a woman and the warm viscosity of a vagina will change you
Or the soft nibble on the back of his neck, and then the violent donkey punch to give him just the right clench his lover needs for the pegging.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:34 am to Fun Bunch
its 2017 man, we can't just go around assuming things.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 12:58 pm to chesty
ok so lets try something realistic instead of this foolishness mcnamara started
denver wants to trade nurkic, he's not working out with jokic who is clearly the superior offensive player. nurkic has real post skills though, and he "could" figure things out
tim connelly is the GM there, used to work here
denver also has multiple desirable assets and has stated a desire to accommodate a traded players wishes as far as destination when possible
i have always been dismayed that the pels elected to build around davis from the backcourt, not the frontcourt...starting with the rivers selection thru the evans/holiday/moore/etc acquisitions.
lets come up with some denver-pels trades that work
how about evans/ajinca/2017 1st for gallinari & nurkic. denver can bury evans if they dont want him and take the cap credit next year, and ajinca can play his 5 minutes/5fouls routine for cheap. they get the draft asset they can use in another deal
pels get two frontcourt players that fit, one of whom is young and on a rookie contract
denver wants to trade nurkic, he's not working out with jokic who is clearly the superior offensive player. nurkic has real post skills though, and he "could" figure things out
tim connelly is the GM there, used to work here
denver also has multiple desirable assets and has stated a desire to accommodate a traded players wishes as far as destination when possible
i have always been dismayed that the pels elected to build around davis from the backcourt, not the frontcourt...starting with the rivers selection thru the evans/holiday/moore/etc acquisitions.
lets come up with some denver-pels trades that work
how about evans/ajinca/2017 1st for gallinari & nurkic. denver can bury evans if they dont want him and take the cap credit next year, and ajinca can play his 5 minutes/5fouls routine for cheap. they get the draft asset they can use in another deal
pels get two frontcourt players that fit, one of whom is young and on a rookie contract
Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:00 pm to cgrand
could also swap out gallo for wilson chandler
Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:07 pm to cgrand
I would gladly do that for Gallo or Chandler with Nurkic. Gallo has a player option that he might opt out on, so i'm not thrilled about giving up a first for that, but I think i'd still do it.
I would think we could get P.J. Tucker if we wanted to. He's just an expiring though.
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The Clippers have offered a future second-round pick for Suns forward P.J. Tucker -- who is said to have a not-so-secret admirer in Doc Rivers -- but sources say Phoenix is holding out for a first-rounder in exchange for the rugged defensive specialist.
I would think we could get P.J. Tucker if we wanted to. He's just an expiring though.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
The problem is Denver is the current 8th seed. I dont see them dishing out starters right now.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:17 pm to Jon1798
if you believe the reports they are moving nurkic no matter what
whether they would entertain moving Gallo or chandler is my own speculation
I would be surprised if they got a real return for nurkic by himself though, but who knows
with all the young players they have I find it hard to believe the 8th seed this year is a real goal
whether they would entertain moving Gallo or chandler is my own speculation
I would be surprised if they got a real return for nurkic by himself though, but who knows
with all the young players they have I find it hard to believe the 8th seed this year is a real goal
Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:18 pm to Jon1798
That's why it would likely have to be Jrue that we send their way, not Reke, and i'd rather that.
Rumor says that Orlando offered their 1st and Vucevic for Dragic, but Miami wasn't interested since they have Whiteside. That rumor seems off to me though. Doesn't make sense for either team.
Rumor says that Orlando offered their 1st and Vucevic for Dragic, but Miami wasn't interested since they have Whiteside. That rumor seems off to me though. Doesn't make sense for either team.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The Bosnian Beast has coughed it up on 20 percent of the possessions he has finished with a shot, drawn foul, or turnover -- a gargantuan number for a big man. Only 10 guys 6-foot-10 or taller have ever tossed away so many possessions while hoarding as large a share of offense as Nurkic.A lot of these gaffes are just careless. Nurkic is huge, and bowls over defenders in the post -- putting him at high risk for charging calls. He has slippery hands. He loves flicking fancy one-handed passes to cutters, but he often misfires or hits their legs.A lot of these gaffes are just careless. Nurkic is huge, and bowls over defenders in the post -- putting him at high risk for charging calls. He has slippery hands. He loves flicking fancy one-handed passes to cutters, but he often misfires or hits their legs.
Maybe Nurkic's value isn't as high as we think it is.
I'd still want him b/c he's cheap, and i'm really more interested in Gallinari or Chandler.
Jrue/Ajinca and a first for Chandler/Nurkic
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 1:23 pm
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