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re: The Crewz Memorial "Insider Info" 2k17 Trade Simulator Thread: Official
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:02 am to cgrand
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:02 am to cgrand
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it is straight up incompetance
That might be relevant on whether or not you fire Demps at the end of the year, but it shouldn't factor into whether the trade is worth doing. I don't watch other teams enough to comment on whether McCollum can be IT or better, but if he can, CJ/AD > IT/Horford. Boston's current supporting cast is better but it wouldn't take much shuffling and growth to get there. The current Pels build is probably a decent 2 way SF away from from getting to the same place you could be pretty quickly if McCollum is indeed transcendent as a lead guard.
July 2018 is a rapidly approaching important date because that's when the team can offer AD the new extension. If McCollum is more of a #2 than Holiday, it certainly becomes an easier sales pitch than "Trust the process Anthony, we'll slowly turn a few of our C players into B players and then we'll be set!"
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:03 am to Crewz
Always a sophist, Dr. McNamara
Congrats on allowing yourself to ignore "unsound" arguments when they inconvenience you
Congrats on allowing yourself to ignore "unsound" arguments when they inconvenience you
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:04 am to Crewz
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Blazers still aren't fully in on trading CJ, but if they get all the way there, it makes a ton of sense for the Pels
In what way are we offereing something the Blazers are listening too?
You're idea to get McCollum is completely fantasy. there is nothing we could offer them that they would listen to, and you haven't even said what ridiculous offer we could make that would make them do this.
There are plenty of teams out there that could offer much more than we could. Thinking we can get someone like McCollum, who will start a 5 year contract at the age of 25, for an expiring who's injury riddled and a first round pick likely in the teens is the definition of fantasy trade message board talk.
While we are at it, why don't we trade Reke and our 2 2nd roung picks for Cousins too.
Let me know when you come up with something more realistic.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:13 am to Crewz
I assume the talk of trading for McCollum is pure speculation at best? Has there been any indication that either side has considered or discussed such a possibility?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:15 am to TeddyPadillac
That's your opinion. Go look at all those teams with so much to offer and tell me if they need a guy like CJ. Boston has the same guy in IT3. Denver has Mudiay and Murray
I didn't just make this up out of thin air. Just like I didn't make up the Milsap stuff. Maybe I'm 3 or 4 days Woj will clue you im and you can discuss it Then
I didn't just make this up out of thin air. Just like I didn't make up the Milsap stuff. Maybe I'm 3 or 4 days Woj will clue you im and you can discuss it Then
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:18 am to Crewz
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go get a transcendent talent
What are you guys trading to get one of these guys?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:20 am to NOSHAU
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I assume the talk of trading for McCollum is pure speculation at best?
Correct. CJ also has a poison pill worked into his contract if he were traded this season iirc. Odds are unless somebody is willing to ignore that and still ante up, CJ stays in Portland at least until the Offseason.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:21 am to theducks
It's in the article. And before you say it will never happen, remember that I am the guy who told you that your Blazers would take a huge step back this year and you told me I had no clue what I was talking about.
So, I would tread lightly on getting into another debate with a vastly superior intellect
So, I would tread lightly on getting into another debate with a vastly superior intellect
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:22 am to Crewz
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And before you say it will never happen, remember that I am the guy who told you that your Blazers would take a huge step back this year and you told me I had no clue what I was talking about.
Most everyone said that.
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So, I would tread lightly on getting into another debate with a vastly superior intellect
Knew you had nothing but speculation to offer.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:22 am to theducks
What does the poison pill matter to the team trading for him? He counts for even more in a trade next year than he would this year. Now, it might make it hard for the Blazers, but I covered that in the piece too :)
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:24 am to Crewz
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What does the poison pill matter to the team trading for him
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Now, it might make it hard for the Blazers
So glad you can answer your own questions.
Editing for clarity: The team trading for him has to work with the team trading him, thus making it difficult for everybody involved.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:26 am to Crewz
And this is your opinion, that someone pays you to have for some reason.
Boston doesn't need him, you're right. Denver has pieces they could offer. Mudiay and Murray would not stop me from getting McCollum. Philly has got assets coming out of their arse. If they were interested, they could get him. Miami has assets. Dallas has assets.
They arent' going to just give McCollum away for scraps.
The Milsaps crap was just what I said, crap. It was nothing more than Atlanta throwing shite on the wall and seeing if it will stick. They made everyone available, didn't like what they heard, then went on a winning streak and said no one is available anymore. Milsaps, Hardawy, Howard, just about everyone was available but Schroder, and nothing came of it. They simply wanted to see if anyone was stupid enough to give shite away for them, and we came knocking supposedly, like idiots.
if there is a way for us to get McCollum, I am all for it. Like I said, i'd give up Jrue/Buddy and a first for him, but they aren't giving up on him for that, or antying else we can offer. Expiring Jrue does not carry that much weight, and pairing McCollum with AD you'd think would keep us in the hunt, and that pick isn't a top 10 pick.
Boston doesn't need him, you're right. Denver has pieces they could offer. Mudiay and Murray would not stop me from getting McCollum. Philly has got assets coming out of their arse. If they were interested, they could get him. Miami has assets. Dallas has assets.
They arent' going to just give McCollum away for scraps.
The Milsaps crap was just what I said, crap. It was nothing more than Atlanta throwing shite on the wall and seeing if it will stick. They made everyone available, didn't like what they heard, then went on a winning streak and said no one is available anymore. Milsaps, Hardawy, Howard, just about everyone was available but Schroder, and nothing came of it. They simply wanted to see if anyone was stupid enough to give shite away for them, and we came knocking supposedly, like idiots.
if there is a way for us to get McCollum, I am all for it. Like I said, i'd give up Jrue/Buddy and a first for him, but they aren't giving up on him for that, or antying else we can offer. Expiring Jrue does not carry that much weight, and pairing McCollum with AD you'd think would keep us in the hunt, and that pick isn't a top 10 pick.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:26 am to Crewz
quote:If there were any chance of pulling off a trade like this, say Holiday and parts to Portland for McCollum and include our 1st and one of the 2nds, I would do so in a hearbeat. McCollum could be that Robin to Batman AD. With the poison pill provision, it could get very complicated. Like you said, someone like Philly would have to help take a player off of Portland's hands. Maybe a 2nd rounder would incentivize them. We could throw Pondexter (and his insurance money) to the Sixers as well as incentive.
That's your opinion. Go look at all those teams with so much to offer and tell me if they need a guy like CJ. Boston has the same guy in IT3. Denver has Mudiay and Murray I didn't just make this up out of thin air. Just like I didn't make up the Milsap stuff. Maybe I'm 3 or 4 days Woj will clue you im and you can discuss it Then
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:28 am to theducks
Hey Dummy, you said the other team would have to ignore the poison pill. I pointed out how it wouldn't matter to the other team.
See how I am smarter than you, and always will be? Just give up while you are behind and go enjoy your crappy team that you were saying would be a 50 win team before the season started!
See how I am smarter than you, and always will be? Just give up while you are behind and go enjoy your crappy team that you were saying would be a 50 win team before the season started!
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:28 am to TeddyPadillac
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In what way are we offereing something the Blazers are listening too?
Just like I have concerns that McCollum for Holiday might tank the Pels defense, I think the opposite could be true in Portland and Holiday could go a long way to solving the Blazers defensive problems. Throw in our pick and I think it's good value if they're ok paying Holiday to stay.
Portland has as good of a PG as they're going to get, their wings are C level wings, but B and higher wings just don't get traded, and the kind of center they'd want doesn't change teams often these days either. McCollum for Whiteside? Maybe that works for Portland but I don't think that works for Miami. If they trade Whiteside that leaves them with a hole that's much harder to fill than the position McCollum plays, especially since they are tanking into a guard rich draft.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:30 am to TigerinATL
Why would McCollum even make sense for us?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:30 am to TigerinATL
This thread has been thoroughly retarded. Thanks, Mike.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:31 am to Crewz
Editing for clarity: The team trading for him has to work with the team trading him, thus making it difficult for everybody involved.
I will!
Thanks for engaging in debate with me and avoiding insults much like I have!
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go enjoy your crappy team that you were saying would be a 50 win team before the season started!
I will!
Thanks for engaging in debate with me and avoiding insults much like I have!
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:31 am to NOSHAU
Correct, it wouldn't be easy and it won't even get close to happening until Jrues agent and Portland had some back room talks. But if they agreed to a wink wink deal, the two teams can find a way to make it work
And I agree, I would do Jrue and our first. Heck, Jrue and Buddy. I'd probably balk at all three though. But CJ and AD would be a real foundation, and that is the kind of foundation that sets a defined pecking order and makes everyone better because roles are clear. I'd rather that then just continuing to get a bunch of B- guys and mixing up roatations and field goal attempts every night
And I agree, I would do Jrue and our first. Heck, Jrue and Buddy. I'd probably balk at all three though. But CJ and AD would be a real foundation, and that is the kind of foundation that sets a defined pecking order and makes everyone better because roles are clear. I'd rather that then just continuing to get a bunch of B- guys and mixing up roatations and field goal attempts every night
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:34 am to Jester
This board is constantly dead and then I come in and give you all a villain to hate. A guy that bands you all together and posts and views skyrocket. Oh, and not to mention, a little info sprinkled in.
A little appreciation would be nice. :)
A little appreciation would be nice. :)
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