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Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:59 am to Cap Crunch
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How long until the deadline?
February 20th, so about a month and a half. I would think this might push Demps to move sooner rather than later if a move is to be made.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:02 am to htran90
There is no way we are out-tanking the East to keep out pick, even without Ryno. We need to try to use this an opportunity to unload Gordon and get a PF that can at least not suck in Ryno's absence.
If it fails and we don't make the playoffs we at least have cap space to start next year.
If it fails and we don't make the playoffs we at least have cap space to start next year.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:04 am to Cap Crunch
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:19 am to acanni1
why would you want to pick up the one position we don't need when fully healthy?
unless it's an expiring contract, there is no need to get another PF. what if he comes back in a month? then we have 4 PFs on the team. what are we going to do? start a lineup of
Jrue
AD
Ryno
Smith
New Expiring PF
unless it's an expiring contract, there is no need to get another PF. what if he comes back in a month? then we have 4 PFs on the team. what are we going to do? start a lineup of
Jrue
AD
Ryno
Smith
New Expiring PF
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:25 am to GOP_Tiger
Not even close unfortunately.
The team has a 35% winning percentage when either Davis or Anderson are out. That's currently good for 7th. We need to finish at worst 4th to have a reasonable shot at keeping the pick. That's just not going to happen.
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Jim Eichenhofer ?@Jim_Eichenhofer 39m
Pelicans are 6-11 when either Davis (3-4) or Anderson (3-7) are sidelined, but 9-6 when both of them are on floor. NOLA's top two scorers
The team has a 35% winning percentage when either Davis or Anderson are out. That's currently good for 7th. We need to finish at worst 4th to have a reasonable shot at keeping the pick. That's just not going to happen.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:27 am to quail man
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of all the criticisms of monty on this board, this is the least true.
who on this current team has monty developed?
EG? traded
Reke? signed
Jrue? traded
Anderson? signed
alexis? still a work in progress
roberts? no comment
rivers? deep on that bench you can't even see with a microscope
AD with a monkey of a coach would be where he is today.
Every potential we had, we flipped to make CP3 happy or monty had a beef with and got rid of.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:31 am to htran90
Lopez and Gravy had career years in NO but I think it was more because they got the minutes, not coaching.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:31 am to htran90
just because they were signed does not mean he can't develop them.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:39 am to GOP_Tiger
McNamara is calling for a Gordon for Boozer/Dunleavy trade. Sweet fancy Moses. 
Agree with Ocean and ATL. You can't have a good modern NBA offense without shooting more 3s than what we've seen without Anderson. That has to change now.
A good read yesterday on Grantland about Portland's revival and their Flow offense in particular- stolen from Carlisle's Mavs. Here is a more thorough breakdown of the Mavs 2011 offense
LINK
Not advocating for Monty to switch to this, but there doesn't seem to be much coherence to the offense at this point. Monty does draw up some very nice sets, but overall offense design is lacking at times.
Like the Spurs, they run a lot of Horns, but the Pelicans usually just end up with a high PnR out of it. No Hi/Low action, rarely any corner 3s, rarely any ball reversals for attacking. And Horns doesn't really fit the skill set of Evans, the best creator on the team.
All that said, offense still isn't a problem no matter how displeasing it looks at times.
Agree with Ocean and ATL. You can't have a good modern NBA offense without shooting more 3s than what we've seen without Anderson. That has to change now.
A good read yesterday on Grantland about Portland's revival and their Flow offense in particular- stolen from Carlisle's Mavs. Here is a more thorough breakdown of the Mavs 2011 offense
LINK
Not advocating for Monty to switch to this, but there doesn't seem to be much coherence to the offense at this point. Monty does draw up some very nice sets, but overall offense design is lacking at times.
Like the Spurs, they run a lot of Horns, but the Pelicans usually just end up with a high PnR out of it. No Hi/Low action, rarely any corner 3s, rarely any ball reversals for attacking. And Horns doesn't really fit the skill set of Evans, the best creator on the team.
All that said, offense still isn't a problem no matter how displeasing it looks at times.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:43 am to corndeaux
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Not advocating for Monty to switch to this, but there doesn't seem to be much coherence to the offense at this point.
The lack of fluidity in the offense is really hard to understand considering the athleticism and shooting talents on the team.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:48 am to quail man
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just because they were signed does not mean he can't develop them.
all 3 of our big players (anderson, jrue, and reke) are all playing at the same level as they were on their previous teams.
Anderson gets 3 more ppg this year compared to his last year in orlando because he's shooting almost 4 more shots per game
reke is the same, if not worse in some areas. I chalk that up as chemistry and injury though.
jrue's right in line with where he was last year. less turnovers and higher shooting % but that comes with playing with a better cast.
and improving their 'defense' isn't a good argument because we fricking suck
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Lopez and Gravy had career years in NO but I think it was more because they got the minutes, not coaching.
I wanted to say those two as well, but lopez is doing well in portland, but I'm sure it was giving him minutes to mature. gravy is shitting the bed. ayon is on a bench in atlanta somewhere doing about the same for them as he did for us.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:49 am to TigerinATL
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The lack of fluidity in the offense is really hard to understand considering the athleticism and shooting talents on the team
Yep.
We've all seen ball handlers miss Davis rolling or ignore wide open shooters. Not sure it's all on the scheme. But I do think things could be tweaked to help them out.
Not a like for like situation, but Miami did need about 2 years to figure out their true identity on offense and create the flowing machine we see now. If Davis can develop more shot creation abilities, things can change quickly.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:07 am to htran90
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jrue, and reke) are all playing at the same level as they were on their previous teams.
Jrue is putting up career highs across the board when you normalize minutes (PER 36 and Advanced stats). He has the highest PER of his career right now.
Evans shooting is way down (too many missed lay ups- WHY DOESN"T MONTY PRACTICE LAY UPS!!!??!) but he is putting up career highs in passing and rebounding. He has the highest PER of his career right now.
Monty hasn't developed Anderson- he is who he has been his whole career. That said, Anderson has a 57% TS%. He's still maintaining his efficiency even with 3 extra shots per game.
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that comes with playing with a better cast.
Just to be clear, Monty's systems get all the blame for the team losing, but none of the credit for a guy having a career year?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:12 am to Cap Crunch
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Oh and McNamara is playing trade machine on twitter if anyone cares
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:17 am to corndeaux
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Just to be clear, Monty's systems get all the blame for the team losing, but none of the credit for a guy having a career year?
yup, that's how it works here. disregard guys like AFA, Smith, Lopez, Gravy, all of whom have put up MARKEDLY better numbers, but make sure to bring up the busts.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:22 am to corndeaux
yes, jrue is playing better PER 36. do you personally chalk that up as playing with better talent, monty, or jrue just improving which he has done his whole career
per 36 last year:
17ppg
7.7apg
3.6to
4rpg
per 36 this year:
15.8ppg (better ts%)
8.6apg
3.3to
4.5rpg
per 36 last year:
17ppg
7.7apg
3.6to
4rpg
per 36 this year:
15.8ppg (better ts%)
8.6apg
3.3to
4.5rpg
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:25 am to htran90
Failing to develop some players, failing to develop others so far, is not proof of inability to develop players on Monty's part.
Grind you ax where it can be ground, but there are better places to do it.
Grind you ax where it can be ground, but there are better places to do it.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:29 am to quail man
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AFA, Smith, Lopez, Gravy
afa - yeah i'll give you that
he spent one year for the LAC
40% shooting, 5.6ppg, and 3.3 rpg in 18 minutes
Now, he's a career high 48.7% shooting, 7.2ppg, and 6.7rpg in 25 minutes.
Smith - you double his minutes from philly years and you get what he's averaging now. Like ^ said earlier, give them more minutes and they produced
Lopez - 5ppg/3rpg for phoenix. comes and plays double the minutes for us and gets 11ppg and 5.6rpg. plays even more minutes in portland and improves his rpg to 8.4 and dips in ppg and higher fg% because he isn't a primary option on that team.
gravy - on his 2nd team since being traded. if a player was 'developed' he'd usually stick on a squad and do well.
here's 3 notable names we lost:
quincy pondexter
marcus thorton
darren collison
this team in general needs better 3pt fg shooters. we can't be relying on one player. he goes down and its a shitstorm.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:30 am to corndeaux
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Just to be clear, Monty's systems get all the blame for the team losing, but none of the credit for a guy having a career year?
This is a tough call.
Evans bread and butter on offense has been diving to the hoop no matter how many defenders are in his way. He definitely understands that he needs to get Davis the ball. I WILL credit Monty for the effort he's putting in on defense.
Holiday has terrific games and games where he just plain disappears. I still don't think he's completely comfortable. The jury is still out.
It's a tough call to say that Monty is the reason these guys are playing more efficiently though. The talent disparity for Jrue and the character disparity for Evans could easily be the main factor.
Saying Monty has "developed" them though is incorrect. What part of their games do they have now that they didn't have when they came to NOLA?
Using borderline all-star talents playing at a borderline all-star level as a reason to back up our coach doesn't make sense. A good coach finds ways to utilize the talents and make them even better, especially considering they are playing around superior players than they've had throughout their careers. Monty most assuredly is not accomplishing that.
That Portland game that was a fricking blast, the high point of the season? Hero ball that actually worked.
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