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re: Ryan Anderson has been diagnosed with a herniated disc.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:38 am to ShamelessPel
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:38 am to ShamelessPel
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:38 am to ShamelessPel
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Saying Monty has "developed" them though is incorrect. What part of their games do they have now that they didn't have when they came to NOLA?
But who develops anybody? Is Monty developing AD? I would think it'd take a very bad coach to mess up ADs development. Most development is really on the players to put in the effort to improve their skills. What Monty appears to be good at is convincing lifelong prima donas what they need to maximize and minimize. Monty would probably be the first to say it's a disservice to the players to credit him with their development, but I do think he seems pretty good at getting players to focus on what skills to develop.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:42 am to danman6336
NOOOOOOO STAHP PLS
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:47 am to danman6336
No way we out-tank the east. We would have to only win 25-27 games to have a chance at keeping our pick. There is no way we are only winning 10 more games.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:55 am to TigerinATL
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What Monty appears to be good at is convincing lifelong prima donas what they need to maximize and minimize
What lifelong prima donnas has he actually had to deal with in your opinion?
I ask because Thornton didn't work, CP3 forced his way out, Eric Gordon is still lazy as hell, and Austin Rivers is sitting at the end of a bench despite seemingly having the exact opposite attitude you would have expected.
Tyreke Evans being the lone exception? Everyone was a prima donna in Sactown. Crediting Monty for Evans playing like he's on a team that has a shot at accomplishing something seems unfair.
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but I do think he seems pretty good at getting players to focus on what skills to develop.
I do think this is correct concerning bigs. He is a fantastic coach for 3-5s. He'd be an enormous asset as a head assistant for a legitimate head coach. I'd kill to say, hire Karl and keep Monty on the bench; but we all know that is impossible. Once you're out, you're out.
I think there is a misconception on this board regarding the Monty "haters" vs. the Monty "defenders". I don't think the majority of us hate Monty Williams at all. We just simply think he is in WAAAAYY over his head concerning the responsibilities that come with being the head coach of a winning basketball team.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:55 am to acanni1
TANK
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:58 am to acanni1
Tanking is out of the question. We'd need a 5th pick or higher for us to even get the pick. And there's no way we can suck as bad as some of these teams. I think Monty needs to make some big offensive adjustments and the chances of Dell making a move at the deadline are higher in my opinion. Hopefully that move (if he even makes it) is a good move to help us now and in the future and not just a desperate attempt to salvage what's left of this season only to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
Finding the right trade for Gordon before the deadline now becomes much more pertinent.
Finding the right trade for Gordon before the deadline now becomes much more pertinent.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:00 pm to ShamelessPel
Good post.
I didn't mean to imply Monty is solely responsible for the good play of Holiday and Evans. He's coached them for 5 months. I piggy backed on a different conversation and didn't make my statement clear.
I disagree with you a bit here. We all would like to see more wins and more aesthetically pleasing ball. But Holiday and Evans are putting up career best numbers. Has Monty not put them in situations to get more out of them?
Just seems a bit disingenuous to me say that Holiday and Evans are playing better ONLY because of the talents around them. At the same time, I don't think Monty is the ONLY reason they are playing the most efficient ball of their careers.
Ha. True. But it was smart not to call a TO and to get the ball out in semi transition to create a mismatch. I'll take Evans over Mo Williams (was it him?) every time. I guarantee they have talked about and practiced end of game scenarios like that one.
I didn't mean to imply Monty is solely responsible for the good play of Holiday and Evans. He's coached them for 5 months. I piggy backed on a different conversation and didn't make my statement clear.
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good coach finds ways to utilize the talents and make them even better, especially considering they are playing around superior players than they've had throughout their careers. Monty most assuredly is not accomplishing that.
I disagree with you a bit here. We all would like to see more wins and more aesthetically pleasing ball. But Holiday and Evans are putting up career best numbers. Has Monty not put them in situations to get more out of them?
Just seems a bit disingenuous to me say that Holiday and Evans are playing better ONLY because of the talents around them. At the same time, I don't think Monty is the ONLY reason they are playing the most efficient ball of their careers.
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Hero ball that actually worked.
Ha. True. But it was smart not to call a TO and to get the ball out in semi transition to create a mismatch. I'll take Evans over Mo Williams (was it him?) every time. I guarantee they have talked about and practiced end of game scenarios like that one.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:03 pm to Hazelnut
As long as this injury leads to the team trading Gordon, I can live with it
Still sucks though
Still sucks though
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:03 pm to hg
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hg
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TANK
Don't do it hg..don't go down that path.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:05 pm to acanni1
Time to TANK
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:08 pm to ShamelessPel
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What lifelong prima donnas has he actually had to deal with in your opinion?
Austin Rivers
I couldn't help myself
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:19 pm to drake20
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another lottery season...this time, we get no pick
you need me to come over so we can hug it out buddy
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:29 pm to ShamelessPel
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What lifelong prima donnas has he actually had to deal with in your opinion?
Maybe Prima Dona wasn't the right word but most NBA players that go in the first round have been one of if not the best player on their team and even in their league/conference for their entire life. Many have been able to get by on superior talent alone and have never had to hone that talent much to achieve success.
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Thornton didn't work
Allegedly because he didn't take Monty's coaching from what Gerry V has said. Although I think there was CP3 jealousy at play there too. How could there not have been the way Thornton got love from the fans?
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CP3 forced his way out
I'm not sure what the standard plan for stars on a non contender has to do with this discussion.
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Eric Gordon is still lazy as hell
Gordon is pretty much only taking open shots this year, and lot fewer of those jab step 20 footers. He's bought in to his role on the team.
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Austin Rivers is sitting at the end of a bench despite seemingly having the exact opposite attitude you would have expected.
There are only 2 explanations I can come up with for what is happening to Rivers. 1) Monty thinks that Roberts will give him a better chance to win, even if that chance is miniscule he's feeling enough heat that he'll take it at the long term expense of Rivers or 2) He honestly thinks he's helping Rivers by making him earn minutes.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:33 pm to TigerinATL
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what is happening to Rivers.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:38 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
He may be a brick layer, but Roberts isn't really doing much better.
Roberts 39.2% FG 36.4% 3P
Rivers 38.5% FG 36.8% 3P
Roberts 39.2% FG 36.4% 3P
Rivers 38.5% FG 36.8% 3P
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:40 pm to TigerinATL
You gave reasons for the 4 but didn't mention that they still failed under Monty. Thornton got pushed out, cp3 did enough to show value and quit on us, and Gordon isn't worth talking about.
I defended ego for 2 years. He's out of shape and less invested than his talent dictates. I was wrong and I'll admit it. Gordon has the strength and quickness to be a BEAST on d, even after losing a step post-surgery. if he cared 2 shites bout winning he'd hone that considering his offensive role has lessened. They got him his aau friends and it hasn't mattered. It's not necessarily Monty but it's definitely not something Monty would put on his resume.
I defended ego for 2 years. He's out of shape and less invested than his talent dictates. I was wrong and I'll admit it. Gordon has the strength and quickness to be a BEAST on d, even after losing a step post-surgery. if he cared 2 shites bout winning he'd hone that considering his offensive role has lessened. They got him his aau friends and it hasn't mattered. It's not necessarily Monty but it's definitely not something Monty would put on his resume.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:44 pm to ShamelessPel
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cp3 did enough to show value and quit on us
CP3 and David west have gone on record and said that they decided they were done with the team when we traded Chandler. Besides, it's much more likely CP3 quit on us because we didn't even have an owner at the time. If we had, Dell, Monty AND Benson while CP3 was here, I think he may still be on our team.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:48 pm to tigerbait1.6
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Time to TANK
I hate all y'all!
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:49 pm to ShamelessPel
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You gave reasons for the 4 but didn't mention that they still failed under Monty.
So you have to be 100% to get credit for "developing" players? Again, I'm not even saying he's developing players, I'm saying he's "developing" players.
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It's not necessarily Monty but it's definitely not something Monty would put on his resume.
I don't think you can get Gordon to start rebounding and playing physical defense any more than you can get Okafor to dunk instead of missing layups. Getting players to focus on what skills to maximize or minimize is not the same thing as giving them a motor transplant.
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