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re: Pelicans receive permission to speak with Alvin Gentry
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:20 pm to Cap Crunch
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:20 pm to Cap Crunch
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Let me know when we get in touch with Hoiberg
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Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:22 pm to corndeaux
I don't think i'd mind JVG.
His resume is impressive. 9 full years coaching, no defense ranked lower than 6th. He's basically Thibs, with a personality that doesn't destroy souls.
Seems to have developed some progressive offensive ideas as well in his time away from the court. Something Thibs seems to have no interest in.
His resume is impressive. 9 full years coaching, no defense ranked lower than 6th. He's basically Thibs, with a personality that doesn't destroy souls.
Seems to have developed some progressive offensive ideas as well in his time away from the court. Something Thibs seems to have no interest in.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:25 pm to eyeran
He just hasn't coached in a decade.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:26 pm to eyeran
Yeah. I agree with that.
He would also bring some national exposure to the team.
He would also bring some national exposure to the team.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:33 pm to Lester Earl
quote:True. But he's obviously stayed as close to the game as you can without actually coaching. He's at the Sloan conference every year talking analytics. He's up on where the league is headed.
He just hasn't coached in a decade.
He's been around FOREVER, but he's still relatively young. Actually younger than Thibs.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:34 pm to Circle K Beggar
quote:
2 different styles. Sorry you like slow, boring basketball bro
I like winning basketball.
I could give 2 shits how we play, as long as we are competing for championships.
I don't believe he can take us there, nor do I believe in that style of basketball.
let me know when one of these high octane offensive teams wins something in any sport.
He's got a lot of experience, and nothing to show for it
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:35 pm to LesGeaux45
quote:
Fletcher Mackel Fletcher Mackel – ?@FletcherMackel I can second the Jeff Van Gundy contact. Source told me last week "that's the big name to pay close attention too."
So, in other words, no chance.
I also think Hoiberg is a pipe dream for the Pelicans . . . I would think it's Chicago or he stays put. Plus, he's a risky choice. Since 2000, eight college coaches have moved to the NBA with a winning percentage of a whopping 37%. With all due respect to Brad Stevens.
I think the Pelicans, and more specifically Demps, must go with NBA experience for this crucial hire. And if Demps has the responsibility, then Loomis needs to allow him to choose who he wants and who fits the roster he's put together.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:44 pm to corndeaux
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Terry Stotts and Doc Rivers had losing records before finding success. Rick Carlisle was fired from 2 jobs before finding a place in Dallas.
Doc spent 4 years in Orlando before going to boston.
Coach of the year his second season, never had a losing record.
Stotts won't be a head coach for long, was never good, still isn't good.
Rick Carlisle has always been a great head coach. He was extremely successful in Detroit and indiana.
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there's far too much riding on the next few years to take a chance on a young guy.
or a guy with a resume like Gentry.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:well.. Considering the last 2 teams left in the western conference are the 2 highest paces teams in the league id say it's working pretty good
quote:
2 different styles. Sorry you like slow, boring basketball bro
I like winning basketball.
I could give 2 shits how we play, as long as we are competing for championships.
I don't believe he can take us there, nor do I believe in that style of basketball.
let me know when one of these high octane offensive teams wins something in any sport.
He's got a lot of experience, and nothing to show for it
Posted on 5/18/15 at 11:05 pm to corndeaux
Carlisle actually had a winning record and a lot of good seasons
Posted on 5/18/15 at 11:18 pm to VOR
Should've kept Monty
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:06 am to LSUpelsSaints
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prob not my first choice, but certainly wouldnt hate it.... would certainly like this over Thibs.
about sums me up
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:24 am to hg
Yup
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:15 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:2009 New Orleans Saints
let me know when one of these high octane offensive teams wins something in any sport.
2011 Dallas Mavericks
2014 San Antonio Spurs
2015 Golden State Warriors
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:01 am to hg
quote:
Should've kept Monty
and given him a blank check to go after all the best assistants he could get.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 6:28 am to TeddyPadillac
Lots and lots of revisionist history here.
Coach of the year means jack shite. Byron Scott won it too. Plus playing .500 ball is now an accomplishment? And Doc had a career losing record (273-312) until they got Garnett and Allen. He was not well regarded at all until Ubuntu. Even that year, most thought he was still shaky.
You're praising Rivers for staying around .500 in Orlando, but dumping on Stotts for back to back 50 win seasons in the West?
This board never disappoints.
Never said he didn't win. Just that he got fired twice. You are not that successful if two franchises kick you to the curb within 4 years.
The point, which flew over your head, was that coaches can develop over time too. Like most things, you usually have to fail to improve. And context matters as much as anything (see C.O.Y. award history).
That doesn't mean Gentry is the hire or will be great. His track record is not stellar. But that record also doesn't preclude him from being very good
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Doc spent 4 years in Orlando before going to boston.
Coach of the year his second season, never had a losing record.
Coach of the year means jack shite. Byron Scott won it too. Plus playing .500 ball is now an accomplishment? And Doc had a career losing record (273-312) until they got Garnett and Allen. He was not well regarded at all until Ubuntu. Even that year, most thought he was still shaky.
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Stotts won't be a head coach for long, was never good, still isn't good.
You're praising Rivers for staying around .500 in Orlando, but dumping on Stotts for back to back 50 win seasons in the West?
This board never disappoints. quote:
Rick Carlisle has always been a great head coach. He was extremely successful in Detroit and indiana.
Never said he didn't win. Just that he got fired twice. You are not that successful if two franchises kick you to the curb within 4 years.
The point, which flew over your head, was that coaches can develop over time too. Like most things, you usually have to fail to improve. And context matters as much as anything (see C.O.Y. award history).
That doesn't mean Gentry is the hire or will be great. His track record is not stellar. But that record also doesn't preclude him from being very good
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 6:30 am
Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:57 am to tgr4ever
quote:
well.. Considering the last 2 teams left in the western conference are the 2 highest paces teams in the league id say it's working pretty good
Warriors are also pretty solid on defense. Gentry has nothing to do with that.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:58 am to Let Me Take A Selfie
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2009 New Orleans Saints -that's funny, that team was a turnover creating machine, and have never come close to replicating that defensive efffort
2011 Dallas Mavericks - not high octane, and added Chandler to bolster the defense they needed.
2014 San Antonio Spurs - spurs are a defensive team, always have been, they win when their offense is clicking.
2015 Golden State Warriors - have won nothing.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:59 am to corndeaux
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Coach of the year means jack shite. Byron Scott won it too. Plus playing .500 ball is now an accomplishment? And Doc had a career losing record (273-312) until they got Garnett and Allen. He was not well regarded at all until Ubuntu. Even that year, most thought he was still shaky.
I think we need to be careful with the Rivers discussion. Rivers won in Boston with an absolutely stacked roster. He was given a similar opportunity in LA and seems to be floundering a bit. Did he get better? Yes. Did he become a great coach? Not in my opinion.
If Doc is who we use to show Gentry has a chance to bring a championship here, consider me skeptical.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:03 am to corndeaux
The Monty firing is seeming more and more like a bad move with every new rumor. Like someone else said, I feel like we might have been better off if they kept Monty and helped him bring in elite assistants than the road they seem to be heading down now.
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