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re: Pelicans receive permission to speak with Alvin Gentry
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:04 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:04 am to TeddyPadillac
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I could give 2 shits how we play, as long as we are competing for championships. I don't believe he can take us there, nor do I believe in that style of basketball. let me know when one of these high octane offensive teams wins something in any sport.
You make it sound like you can't have a high octane offense with a great defense... Why not the best of both worlds?
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:05 am to sma19
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You make it sound like you can't have a high octane offense with a great defense... Why not the best of both worlds?
You can, but why can't a great defensive team have a high octane offense? That knife cuts both ways.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:07 am to corndeaux
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the point, which flew over your head, was that coaches can develop over time too.
The point is you named 3 coaches who combined didn't have as many years of bad coaching years as Gentry has.
It's not like Gentry coached for 3 or 4 years and over achieved or showed promise.
We've got almost 800 games to pull from. he was good once. How many more chances does he deserve?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:08 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Warriors have the #1 defense in the NBA
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:09 am to sma19
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you make it sound like you can't have a high octane offense with a great defense... Why not the best of both worlds?
you make it sound like being great on offense and defense is common.
We are already good on offense. We suck on defense.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:10 am to tgr4ever
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Warriors have the #1 defense in the NBA
Okay, and we're talking about their offensive assistant, not their head coach of defensive whiz, Ron Adams. Speaking of Ron Adams, I think I'd prefer him over Gentry.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:10 am to Galactic Inquisitor
the first issue is setting the goal at a title or bust. IF this team can theoretically become a title contender, then we have a few years until that point. risking the failure of an unproven guy who won't at least add to the development of our young team. gentry will likely do wonders to figuring out how to use our guys on offense, which would be a big step.
thibs is really scary to me. he's going to be really expensive and want total control. if he's not the right choice then he basically seals our window if he's hired. gentry doesn't pose that same sort of risk. also, gentry has made the conference finals as many times as thibs (and he did it in the west).
once we eliminate thibs and gentry, then it's all a big shite show. we either hire a TRUE retread (JVG, avery, mark jackson) or a completely unproven guy. i mean seriously when faced with jeff van gundy or gentry, gentry is the easy choice. it gets even easier when thinking avery johnson or mark jackson.
thibs is really scary to me. he's going to be really expensive and want total control. if he's not the right choice then he basically seals our window if he's hired. gentry doesn't pose that same sort of risk. also, gentry has made the conference finals as many times as thibs (and he did it in the west).
once we eliminate thibs and gentry, then it's all a big shite show. we either hire a TRUE retread (JVG, avery, mark jackson) or a completely unproven guy. i mean seriously when faced with jeff van gundy or gentry, gentry is the easy choice. it gets even easier when thinking avery johnson or mark jackson.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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gentry will likely do wonders to figuring out how to use our guys on offense, which would be a big step.
Tyreke, for one, fits Gentry's offense about as well as he fits Thibs' defense.
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gentry has made the conference finals as many times as thibs
And coached 12 seasons to Thibs 5.
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i mean seriously when faced with jeff van gundy or gentry, gentry is the easy choice.
Speak for yourself. Gentry is a marginal hire at best.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:18 am to Galactic Inquisitor
JVG >>>> Alvin Gentry
.575 winning percentage >>>> .475
9 playoff appearances >>>> 2 playoff appearances
2 conference finals >>>> 1 conference finals
1 NBA finals >>>>>>>>>>>> 0 NBA finals
.575 winning percentage >>>> .475
9 playoff appearances >>>> 2 playoff appearances
2 conference finals >>>> 1 conference finals
1 NBA finals >>>>>>>>>>>> 0 NBA finals
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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gentry will likely do wonders to figuring out how to use our guys on offense, which would be a big step.
There's value in just the interviews for Demps because I'm sure every candidate will be asked how they'd build around/use AD. Even if it's just a respected colleague confirming Demps' vision there's value in that, so I want Demps interviewing as many candidates as possible.
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thibs is really scary to me. he's going to be really expensive and want total control. if he's not the right choice then he basically seals our window if he's hired
This is a definite negative of Thibs and makes me wonder if Demps can even hire him. I would think whoever he hires needs to be as easy to jettison as Demps is for the team.
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or a completely unproven guy.
Make that 2 unproven guys. I'd take something like Atkinson with Malone as his lead assistant and DC.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:37 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Speak for yourself. Gentry is a marginal hire at best.
JVG is a dinosaur who wasn't that great at his last spot (and had to lean on Thibs to get there). that was a lifetime ago in NBA time
you really think JVG trotting out his mid-late 90s style of ball is going to do well in the neo-NBA?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:38 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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He was given a similar opportunity in LA and seems to be floundering a bit
Need to be careful separating Doc the coach from Doc the GM.
The Clippers top 6 are as good as anyone. Unfortunately, they anchored the bench by using the 2009 NBA register and trading for Austin Rivers.
How much better would they have been if he didn't dump Dudley and a 1st? If he didn't waste $$ on Spencer Hawes? Those are front office mistakes, not coaching ones
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:41 am to corndeaux
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Need to be careful separating Doc the coach from Doc the GM.
Doc the coach was just part of one of the biggest choke jobs in NBA history.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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JVG is a dinosaur
Younger than Gentry
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wasn't that great at his last spot
More playoff appearances and better winning % than Gentry at his last HC gig
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you really think JVG trotting out his mid-late 90s style of ball is going to do well in the neo-NBA?
Not necessarily. That doesn't mean he isn't a better HC than Alvin Gentry, though.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
And you don't think having no bench impacted the Clippers ability to close out Houston? The fact that Corey Brewer and Josh Smith, mid season bench pickups, ignited the comeback doesn't matter? That Houston overcame multiple injuries with superior depth?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:54 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Younger than Gentry
i am talking basketball-related. he hasn't been in the NBA for almost a decade and his style is rooted in 2 eras ago
gentry has been around consistently during that time and has adapted along the way
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:56 am to corndeaux
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And you don't think having no bench impacted the Clippers ability to close out Houston? The fact that Corey Brewer and Josh Smith, mid season bench pickups, ignited the comeback doesn't matter? That Houston overcame multiple injuries with superior depth?
I'm not promoting the guy as a GM, but bad FO moves do not let the HC off the hook (see: Monty Williams).
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:59 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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not let the HC off the hook (see: Monty Williams).
But you're not pointing a bad coaching move. You're just saying "They lost, ergo the coach failed."
Was Pop a bad coach? Or Thibs? Or Carlisle? Is McHale a good coach because he won? Scott Brooks and Mark Jackson have great winning %s, which seems to be the main criteria for this board, are they good coaches?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:07 am to corndeaux
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But you're not pointing a bad coaching move. You're just saying "They lost, ergo the coach failed."
Sorry, but losing after being up 3-1, and up 20 in game 6 involves coaching failures. Sorry, I didn't take notes to point out the bad moves.
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Was Pop a bad coach?
Pop has more rings than Doc has appearances
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Or Thibs? Or Carlisle? Is McHale a good coach because he won? Scott Brooks and Mark Jackson have great winning %s, which seems to be the main criteria for this board, are they good coaches?
All of these guys are better head coaches than Alvin Gentry.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:20 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Sorry, I didn't take notes to point out the bad moves.
Of course. Much easier to just say things without anything to back it up.
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Pop has more rings than Doc has appearances
Talking about the past? As you pointed out, this is a results business. Doc beat him head to head this year. Clearly, he outcoached him and is the better coach now.
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