re: Outside the Top 4, is this draft weak?

What exactly is a "more efficient" Jamal Crawford? Jamal Crawford is defined as a career volume shooter. Did you see the graphic during tonight's game that displayed Hield's shot selection this season? He basically avoids the midrange game like the plague. Also not Crawford-esque.

Sixers- Ben

Lakers- Ingram

Celtics- Bender

Suns- Brown

Minny- Dunn

I think will be set in stone

Then whether it be us at 6 or Kings it will be Heild than Murray

Magic- Poeltl

Denver Luwawu

Bucks- Ellenson

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You don't watch Hield. I mean that is blatantly clear if you would even make this post after his game tonight.

The kid did so much tonight at a high level it is ridiculous to read this and contrast it with reality. 10 boards, would of had at least 6 assists if his teammates knocked down the wide open shots or easy Layups he set them up with. A beast in transition. When his shot wasn't falling early he began attacking the rim and finessing for layups or drawing fouls and scoring on great backdoor cuts. He didn't ball hog, took pretty much only smart shots for his game. He was a perfect teammate tonight.

Set screens, drew off defenders for teammates to get an easier shot or run at the basket. Came up with key defensive stops and forced turnovers. The guy literally did all the offensive things you say he can't or isn't good for. Had they not gone up by 20 early in the second he could of had a legendary game.

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So I'm supposed to change my opinion after 1 game? I do have a question why are people so low on Murray. He's a similar player to Heild and is a great shooter but is 3 years younger so of course his college production will be worse. He's already this good and really needs to put on weight or is it most of you guys want someone who can help now?

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So I'm supposed to change my opinion after 1 game? I do have a question why are people so low on Murray. He's a similar player to Heild and is a great shooter but is 3 years younger so of course his college production will be worse. He's already this good and really needs to put on weight or is it most of you guys want someone who can help now?

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If this sort of play was an aberration, no, but it isn't. And like all tournament, he just finds ways to help his team win. Which doesnt just consist of jacking shots like you like to put it.

Here, more supporting evidence if there wasnt already enough to throw away this notion Hield is just a chucker with a low IQ.
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As to Murray, I like the guy. If our hopefully new GM sees something in him and they select him I will be open-minded. He has potential but most of his draft status is based off the hope he will continue improving to be a more diverse player. Guys like McLemore show that isn't always the case. I would prefer the player with the slightly better measurables who has actually proven he can develop further the way we hope Murray will if we were to draft him.

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You guys keep forgetting the point of the draft. You don't draft on what someone can do now its what you think they can be in the future. If that was the case every #1 pick would be 23

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Or you can take Andrew Bogut and Marvin Williams ahead of Deron Williams and CP3.

Go ahead and take a look at this list and tell me the prospects who could actually ball and the ones drafted on "projected talent".

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Number 6

Year Player School/Country – Team

2015 Willie Cauley-Stein, Kentucky – Sacramento Kings
2014 Marcus Smart, Oklahoma St. – Boston Celtics
2013 Nerlens Noel, Kentucky – New Orleans Pelicans
2012 Damian Lillard, Weber State – Portland Trail Blazers
2011 Jan Vesely, Czech Republic – Washington Wizards
2010 Ekpe Udoh, Baylor – Golden State Warriors

2000’s

2009 Johnny Flynn, Syracuse – Minnesota Timberwolves
2008 Danilo Gallinari, Italy – New York Knicks
2007 Yi Jianlian, China – Milwaukee Bucks
2006 Brandon Roy, Washington – Minnesota Timberwolves
2005 Martell Webster, Seattle Prep HS – Portland Trail Blazers
2004 Josh Childress, Stanford – Atlanta Hawks
2003 Chris Kaman, Central Michigan – L.A. Clippers
2002 Dajuan Wagner, Memphis – Cleveland Cavaliers
2001 Shane Battier, Duke – Memphis Grizzlies
2000 DerMarr Johnson, Cincinnati – Atlanta Hawks

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And if you were even thinking of using Noel as a "what can he be" argument...

NBA All-Rookie First Team (2015)
First-team All-SEC (2013)
SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
SEC All-Defensive Team (2013)
SEC Rookie of the Year (2013)
SEC All-Freshman Team (2013)

You find a good mixture but all I see on here is what Heild can do now vs what everyone else can do now. That's not how drafting works. Heild is a rare case of a guy who's be . Off the NBA radar for years but suddenly explodes as an older senior in college. You can name one guy in the NBA who's had that path.

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. Off the NBA radar for years but suddenly explodes as an older senior in college

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he was the big 12 POY last year as a JR. So if we're counting, the 2x Big 12 POY.

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McCollum had much better assist numbers than Hield.

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Hield's career (per 40) assists are 2.5
McCollum's career (per 40) assists are 3.3

Not much of a difference there.

I think they are similar, but Hield won't play the backup PG role like McCollum does.

ETA: Allen is just at 3.4 for college career assists.

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McCollum's career (per 40) assists are 3.3

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Look at the last year for both though, not the career, when both guys should be at their peak role in the program. McCollum got up to 3.8, Hield has only 2.4. That is a pretty significant difference. Ray Allen averaged 4.3 assists per 40 his last year at UConn. At Ray's peak in the NBA he averaged 26.4 pts, 4.1 assts 4.5 rebounds and 1.5 steals per game in 2006-07. McCollum is averaging 20.7/4.2/3.3/1.1 this season. Redick's career average for assists is 1.9. He did have one year where he averaged 3.8, but he was only scoring 14.1 ppg.

Joe Johnson made the All Star team a few years ago with pretty pedestrian numbers of 15.8p/2.7a/3.4r. IIRC the reason he made the team was based in large part on his reputation as a closer. So if Buddy can step into the leadership void and become our goto scorer then maybe scoring and rebounding is all we need out of him for him to perform at a high enough level that he is considered a top 30ish player. But his main strengths are scoring and rebounding, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it does suggest some of you are projecting a ceiling for him higher than his production supports.

I would love to see the Pelicans take Kyle Wiltjer in the 2nd round. He would also bring some stability to Anthony Davis since they are very close.