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re: Outside the Top 4, is this draft weak?
Posted on 3/23/16 at 8:56 pm to 504ByrdGang
Posted on 3/23/16 at 8:56 pm to 504ByrdGang
NBADraft.net has him #3 to Phoenix today.
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:08 pm to 504ByrdGang
I live in OKC and hear the Heild talk constantly. Funny thing is, most of the people here who have watched him play a bunch see him as a 6th man scorer type player. Maybe makes an All-Star game at his peak but hangs around the league for a long time thanks to his shooting.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:09 pm to 504ByrdGang
Hey guys, I'm Silverfoxx. But to answer the board question I believe so honestly. This draft is a huge crapshoot. I won't be suprise if this draft becomes a top 5 draft class of the decade or top 5 worse.
Each prospect all have scenarios that can play out bad for them. The least likey is Simmons and he he can't shoot a pickle to save his life. I'm slowly starting to come around on Ingram, and that's based on Potential alone. But his lack of tenacious effort can't damper his full potential to be reached IMO. We see players all the time with all of this potential to never reach it due to this "passive easy going" generation of players we have.
On the flip side, maybe it's a freshman thing, but even players like Murray, Ullis, AD, KAT, (or maybe its a Kentucky thing?) Showed the will and tenacious effort to bring "it" every night.
My top 6 atm
Ingram- least likely to bust IMO
Simmons- His "silver spoon" demeanor may be fools gold since he never wanted to play in college. But if not, then his ceiling is a atheltic Boris Diaw.
Dunn- This is the guy that has EVERYTHING I look for in a player character wise and that the Pels need. But like others, his risks of injury, turnovers, and inconsistent shooting makes him a risk. Also him being compared to Jrue may have folks thinking drafting him would be redundant to this franchise.
Poeltl- Best C in the draft, but Pels don't need atm.
Murray- has potential to be the next Brandon Roy, or the next Jodie Meeks. Risk of being not athletic and shaky defense.
Heild- Easily the most controversial pick because of his HUGE boom or bust potential. Hasn't been a college shooter like him since Curry, and all the Buddy bashers hate the idea of that statement. Ironically all the Buddy bashers probably hated Curry coming out of college to be a NBA POINT GUARD. Are you kidding me? A undersized shooter/tweener with shaky handles, who Chuck shots and play no strong D? Nah man he won't make it. Wait....
The Pels HAS to hit on this year draft, after much disappointment and frustration this season has brought. This pick can save this franchise and AD, or do the opposite.
Hopefully Demps is not choosing these decisions, because we won't have a pick to discuss, but only a "young vet" with super hidden injuries that will blossum in Nola.
Each prospect all have scenarios that can play out bad for them. The least likey is Simmons and he he can't shoot a pickle to save his life. I'm slowly starting to come around on Ingram, and that's based on Potential alone. But his lack of tenacious effort can't damper his full potential to be reached IMO. We see players all the time with all of this potential to never reach it due to this "passive easy going" generation of players we have.
On the flip side, maybe it's a freshman thing, but even players like Murray, Ullis, AD, KAT, (or maybe its a Kentucky thing?) Showed the will and tenacious effort to bring "it" every night.
My top 6 atm
Ingram- least likely to bust IMO
Simmons- His "silver spoon" demeanor may be fools gold since he never wanted to play in college. But if not, then his ceiling is a atheltic Boris Diaw.
Dunn- This is the guy that has EVERYTHING I look for in a player character wise and that the Pels need. But like others, his risks of injury, turnovers, and inconsistent shooting makes him a risk. Also him being compared to Jrue may have folks thinking drafting him would be redundant to this franchise.
Poeltl- Best C in the draft, but Pels don't need atm.
Murray- has potential to be the next Brandon Roy, or the next Jodie Meeks. Risk of being not athletic and shaky defense.
Heild- Easily the most controversial pick because of his HUGE boom or bust potential. Hasn't been a college shooter like him since Curry, and all the Buddy bashers hate the idea of that statement. Ironically all the Buddy bashers probably hated Curry coming out of college to be a NBA POINT GUARD. Are you kidding me? A undersized shooter/tweener with shaky handles, who Chuck shots and play no strong D? Nah man he won't make it. Wait....
The Pels HAS to hit on this year draft, after much disappointment and frustration this season has brought. This pick can save this franchise and AD, or do the opposite.
Hopefully Demps is not choosing these decisions, because we won't have a pick to discuss, but only a "young vet" with super hidden injuries that will blossum in Nola.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:12 pm to The Last Coco
Its literally only this fan base that sees Heild as the can't miss prospect that is doing everything he is in college in the NBA. Heild game screams role player.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:12 pm to patendedgmf
Nba draft compares him to Hardeb which is a joke already and DX doesn't even consider a top 10 prospect
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:12 pm to Silverfoxx
How long have you been wanting to say all that?
That said, I disagree with most of what you said.
That said, I disagree with most of what you said.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:15 pm to Silverfoxx
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Heild- Easily the most controversial pick because of his HUGE boom or bust potential. Hasn't been a college shooter like him since Curry, and all the Buddy bashers hate the idea of that statement. Ironically all the Buddy bashers probably hated Curry coming out of college to be a NBA POINT GUARD. Are you kidding me? A undersized shooter/tweener with shaky handles, who Chuck shots and play no strong D? Nah man he won't make it. Wait....
Heild is not a combo guard it shows by his inability to handle the ball. He avgs more TOV than asst and he doesn't even look to pass. He has a high TOV rate due to his weak handles.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:18 pm to 504ByrdGang
You can't see Heild improving his handles?
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:19 pm to Parallax
Meh, I lost track. And why do you disagree?
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:19 pm to Parallax
Btw I don't get the Bender hype at all.
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:22 pm to Silverfoxx
I think that is the hardest part of your game to develop. Most guys who have great handles do because they've been good since kids. He doesn't have the quickest or strength to make up for either.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:31 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Heild is not a combo guard it shows by his inability to handle the ball. He avgs more TOV than asst and he doesn't even look to pass. He has a high TOV rate due to his weak handles.
Remind yourself of that when you mention Luwawu and his handles/"ability to run the point"
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:36 pm to htran90
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Remind yourself of that when you mention Luwawu and his handles/"ability to run the point"
That is the weakest part of his game and has been well documented. He shows flashes of being a good passer but has a way to go. The difference is Luwawu is known for being a versatile athletic wing who can defend 3 positions, shoot, the 3, and make passes. A small forward doesn't need great handles like a guard he already has an athletic advantage if they become decent it's would be easier for him to score rather than a guard who need great handle. Heild is getting so highly touted due to his improvement as a shot creator to uninformed fans who thinks that game will translate.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:42 pm to Pels318
Simmons and Ingram seem to be top 2.
Then it's Bender, Murry & Dunn. Heild seems to be mixed among the top 10 but he's the next guy.
I think Jakob Porltl is an interesting prospect. His per is among the best in the draft.
Then it's Bender, Murry & Dunn. Heild seems to be mixed among the top 10 but he's the next guy.
I think Jakob Porltl is an interesting prospect. His per is among the best in the draft.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:46 pm to Suntiger
I like poeltl but just think of how many non urber athletic centers are playing major minutes now.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:57 pm to 504ByrdGang
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versatile athletic wing who can defend 3 positions
yup
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shoot, the 3
37%, he will improve
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and make passes
not even 1:1, Even above average-average SFs like Bazemore, Porter Jr, etc. aren't that poor.
Know who was poor, AFA.
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Heild is getting so highly touted due to his improvement as a shot creator to uninformed fans who thinks that game will translate.
hard to say, lots of 4 year players done well and some have not. He's played a lot better than most of the 4 year guys.
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:58 pm to 504ByrdGang
I don't think anyone besides Simmons or Ingram moves the needle for the Pels much in the near (next 3-ish years) future.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:03 pm to Parallax
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I don't think anyone besides Simmons or Ingram moves the needle for the Pels much in the near (next 3-ish years) future.
That's usually how drafts work.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:07 pm to htran90
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Outside the Top 4, is this draft weak?
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versatile athletic wing who can defend 3 positions
yup
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shoot, the 3
37%, he will improve
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and make passes
not even 1:1, Even above average-average SFs like Bazemore, Porter Jr, etc. aren't that poor.
Know who was poor, AFA.
He shows the potential, he not a great passer now. Have you seen Aminu do anything close to this?
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:08 pm to 504ByrdGang
Most drafts have more immediate impact players at the top, lots of projects in this draft. We'd have been better off tanking last year.
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