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One thing I think a lot of people have forgotten during the recent struggles
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:30 am
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:30 am
The Pels have 2 top 15 players now
There's no reason they can't turn AD/DC into something similar to what KD/Westbrook had going in OKC.
There's no reason they can't turn AD/DC into something similar to what KD/Westbrook had going in OKC.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:40 am to TigerinATL
When they truly learn how to play high/low, the league is frickED!
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:56 am to TigerinATL
Im willing to loose now if it means we have Boogie and Brow moving forward... I just dont trust the front office and feel like something bad will happen at any moment
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:57 am to TigerinATL
And Brow makes that play after having Xrays on his ankle during the 2nd QT.... dude loves his mid game locker room Xrays
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:34 am to TigerinATL
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The Pels have 2 top 15 players now
They do, but they still don't have a dominant ball handler/scorer, and until they find that guy, they aren't going to get to that upper echelon in the league.
Can you surround these two with just shooters at the other 3 positions? maybe. I don't think that will get us to the top echelon. but we would be pretty good.
The biggest thing about winning in the nba is how you play in the last 4 minutes. Every team can usually keep it reasonably close most of the game, most of the time. The teams that win more, do so b/c they have the better closer. At some point, defenses start playing harder and rotating better and someone has to make a play on offense. If AD and/or DC can become more assertive and efficient in late game scoring, they can make up for not having that wing scorer. It's not often the big man is the closer but if Dirk could do it in Dallas, one of these two great players should be able to. Dirk still had Jason Terry making big plays night in night out at the end of games. You just have to have a guard/wing guy that can score in this league. Jrue isn't that guy.
What we do this offseason will set the stage for the future, regardless if we operate under or over the cap. The signings/trades this offseason are critical to the future success of this core. frick it up and you can kiss both of these guys goodbye.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:48 am to TeddyPadillac
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Jrue isn't that guy.
I'm starting to wonder if he's a guy you keep around even at a reasonable price. Last night he did help the team win but it was with his defense. You don't pay $15 million for 10 points and defense and Holiday will probably end up getting paid $20-$25. If Holiday doesn't show you something in the next 15 games that says he deserves to be part of the Big 3, you really need to start looking for a S&T that works for everyone.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:53 am to TigerinATL
I have been really impressed with Boogie's passing ability. I didn't realize he was as good as he is. When this team gets some shooters they will be scary. Don't frick this up Dell!!!! 
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:59 am to TigerinATL
Two top 15 guys, I agree with
The part where you say do with them what OKC did, you lose me
Those were two guys who had the ball in their hands and could create their own shot any time they wanted, and are also better creating for others
Doing it with two bigs is much, much different
The more likely path is you become a better version of Utah, where you slow games down and hope to have an elite defense. You need Jrue to become 90% of Hayward consistently and get a few shooters akin to Hood and Johnson
The part where you say do with them what OKC did, you lose me
Those were two guys who had the ball in their hands and could create their own shot any time they wanted, and are also better creating for others
Doing it with two bigs is much, much different
The more likely path is you become a better version of Utah, where you slow games down and hope to have an elite defense. You need Jrue to become 90% of Hayward consistently and get a few shooters akin to Hood and Johnson
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
It's exciting to have 2 top 15 guys. But the thing is, neither of these have shown they can win on their own.
They are both top 15, but they are not on the same level as a Lebron, Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi, etc. Those guys win consistently nomatter the supporting cast.
They are both top 15, but they are not on the same level as a Lebron, Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi, etc. Those guys win consistently nomatter the supporting cast.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:04 am to Crewz
I didn't mean stylistically, I meant in terms of success where even with a suspect supporting cast they usually were in the contender conversation if their 2 stars were healthy.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:05 am to TeddyPadillac
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but they still don't have a dominant ball handler/scorer,
haavvvveeee you met Jordan Crawford.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:09 am to TigerinATL
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You don't pay $15 million for 10 points and defense and Holiday will probably end up getting paid $20-$25
I agree. but i do still want him on the team, assuming we can find someone else to take the pressure off of him scoring, and really running the offense in general. He's not a PG. I still wouldn't be happy if they give him $25M.
If there's a way to do a sign and trade with him, i'm all for it regardless of what else we do. he's just not worth more than $15M/yr to me at this point. There's no point in tying yourself down with a $25M/yr guy that can't be a focal point of your offense.
I don't know who would be willing to S&T him though. Knicks are really the only ones that come to mind, maybe Orlando or Dallas but i doubt that. The team has to actually want him, and need him, and i don't know who wants or needs to pay a PG who isn't really a PG and isn't a great scorer, but is a great defender, that much money.
Philly seems to, but they can just sign him outright to whatever they want.
i'd trade Jrue for Melo straight up with a S&T if the Knicks are that set on getting rid of him.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:25 am to Crewz
I agree with that, but that will require a new coach
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:39 am to TigerinATL
Damnit ATL, don't get my hopes up
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:55 am to Cap Crunch
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Excuse my French, it's a bitch for bigs. You know you think you get a break when one guy goes out but the other one's coming in. Or you gotta pick your poison, you know, with both of us...It's just non stop pressure on bigs, I think it's going to be tough.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:12 am to TeddyPadillac
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i'd trade Jrue for Melo straight up
I'm intrigued by this
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:34 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm starting to wonder if he's a guy you keep around even at a reasonable price.
I think so, but the team needs to be truly thoughtful (lol) with what they want/need around Davis + Cousins.
I could see a world where doing something McNamara mentioned in one of his pieces (Lance Thomas, Lin, Mills) is a better fit for the Pels than Holiday at $25M.
Also wonder if Holiday just isn't best suited to be a 6th man/scorer off the bench on offense. Give him the ball and let him do whatever v 2s. His defense is excellent, his play as creator/secondary option is so so
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
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i'd trade Jrue for Melo straight up
This would either turn out great or a complete and total disaster. I don't know that Melo could mesh with a team with two other stars. Maybe he could.
I could see him taking a lot of bad shots on possessions when AD or DC should be getting the ball.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:06 pm to Number 31
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This would either turn out great or a complete and total disaster. I don't know that Melo could mesh with a team with two other stars. Maybe he could.
I agree.
If he's serious about winning something, and not just making money and having a brand, it could work out.
He's still a really good shooter, and he will always be able to create his own shot.
When you have 3 guys like that on one team, one of them is bound to be hot that night, and if the other two learn how to play through that person without forcing things for themselves, good things would happen.
If, big if, they did something like this, you'd only have 2 years of it at worst, and if it works out, resigning Cousins would be easy, and you might be able to convince some vets to come here for cheap after the next year.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If he's serious about winning something, and not just making money and having a brand, it could work out.
He's not as evidenced by him re-signing with the Knicks. I doubt he would ever agree to a trade to New Orleans unless maybe Bron and CP3 were here and still doubtful.
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