re: Offseason Trade Possibility

I'm really starting to warm to the idea of dumping Gordon and Asik to go after Tyson Chandler + Wing. I previously thought Chandler's age made him a bad fit, but even if you only get 2 years out of him he probably advances you down the path more than takes you off course.

I have a hard time believing the Mavs won't try to keep Chandler. Dirk only has so many years left and he took a massive pay cut last summer.

It would be a hell of a gamble. Renouncing 2 of your top 6, both under 30, for just a chance at a 33 year old 5 is crazy on the surface. If they miss, they are back in the lottery and Demps/Monty are fired. The wise move, unless something pops up, is to run it back.

I really dont think Asik is a problem. They score well enough with him. The defense is better and I still think it's more scheme than Asik. They need better perimeter play (health and a good buy w/ MLE) and Anderson to return to pre injury levels on both sides. They should always be looking at packages for a true 2nd banana, but a Chandler play feels a little reckless to me.

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Right back at ya.

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Okay, Pee Wee. You really got me there.

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I have a hard time believing the Mavs won't try to keep Chandler.

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I'm sure they will, but the Mavs ceiling is right where they are, replace Asik with Chandler and the Pels are better than the Mavs.

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I really dont think Asik is a problem. They score well enough with him.

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It's definitely overblown on this board as in on most nights he's a net positive, but even on the nights he's a net positive he still typically leaves 4-8 gimme points on the table. In theory Chandler can do everything Asik does plus get those 4-8 gimme points which would in turn create more space for guys like Tyreke.

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Something like 13 mil, then 8 mil for the next two years.

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They limit the decreases just like the raises, 7.5%, so a 3 year deal starting at $13 looks like $13 -> $12 -> $11
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Still doubt we can "dump" EG too but that's just me. Not sure any team will want to pay that much for his skill set, even for a year.

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I kind of think the Knicks would be a good match if they whiff on all of their FA targets. Gordon seems like a good fit for the "point guard" role in Phil's Triangle.

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The working assumption nonetheless persists that the Spurs, with maestro executive R.C. Buford as their offseason point man, will manufacture at least $20 million in salary-cap space this summer to go after Aldridge -- or Memphis' Marc Gasol -- even if Leonard is maxed and Duncan returns.

How?

One scenario on the personnel grapevine gaining steam is the notion that the Spurs could elect to explore the possibility of dealing away Tiago Splitter to create more financial flexibility. Splitter has two years left on his contract valued at just under $17 million and is quietly regarded as a key contributor in San Antonio given how well he fits as a frontcourt sidekick next to Duncan. But if you're the Spurs -- and if the increasingly loud rumbles about Aldridge having San Antonio as the preferred destination atop his wish list prove true -- examining Splitter's trade market might suddenly become unavoidable.

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I don't know if this means they'll be giving him away, but if you do it before July 1st, like on draft night, you could trade Asik for Splitter. Splitter isn't close to the rebounder Asik is but he's locked up at $8.5 per for the next 2 years competent enough on both sides of the ball and has the playoff experience factor that Pondexter and Cole brought to the team. You also help knock one of the teams ahead of you behind you with either the Blazers or Grizz falling back if they lose Aldridge/Gasol to the Spurs.

There goes that idea, doesn't look like it'd be legal to trade Asik on draft night.

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Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.

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Possible 3 way trade

Ryno to Toronto
Patrick Patterson and Splitter to NOLA
Toney Douglas and Jeff Withey to San Antonio.

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Okay, Pee Wee. You really got me there.

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You really got me too bud.

It's just asinine to think Asik making $13+ million a year for the next 3 years is smart for this team.

How many centers are as good as Asik defensively?
Jordan
Noah
Cousins
Gasol
Chandler
Hibbert
Horford
Drummond
Steven Adams
Bogut
Brook Lopez
Gortat
Howard
Mozgov

That's 14, and i'm probably leaving some out. Asik isnt' better than any of those guys, and every single one of them is miles ahead of him on offense. Most of those guys should make twice as much money as Asik.

How many are much better offensively, that aren't necessarily better defensively?
Vucevic
Jefferson
Bosh
Pekovic
Valanciunas
Kanter
Jordan Hill

That's 7 that don't play great defense, but provide offensively.

That's 21 centers that are much better centers than him.

And here's a bunch of guys that probably give at minimum as much as Asik does if not more overall.
Robin Lopez
Nerlens Noel
Gobert
Dieng
Pachulia
Nurkik
Plumlee
Speights
Koufas
Olynyk
etc.

In what world does Omer Asik deserve $13 million dollars a year for multiple years?

He's a role player, and one of the most one dimensional players in the league. What about that screams $13 million?
He is no threat at all on pick and rolls b/c he can't catch a bounce pass and catch jump high enough for alley oops. He can't roll for a jump shot, even though he does sometimes and his defender sits under the rim and he normally has no one to throw to so he hands it off to Evans to go one on one b/c there's 6 seconds left on the shot clock. He poses no threat at all to guards that he is forced to switch on b/c he's so slow.

When he plays motivated, he can be a force defensively, against other big centers. We didn't see that too much this year though.
He had his year to show us what he brings, and i think he sucks, and i don't feel like hampering our salary cap for years to come just so we can have a center next year.

Don't just sign someone b/c there's no one else to sign, that's what signing Asik would be, just like what we did matching the max for EG. Just don't do it, look at the big picture, look to the future and be smart in the present.

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In no world is Brook Lopez a better defender than Asik. Cousins, Adams, and Gortat, Horfard, are also highly suspect.

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^this^ You're reaching there.

The whole argument over Asik is about certainty v. Uncertainty. It's easy to say "we need to upgrade over Asik," but we've gotten past that point. It's much harder to list/discuss viable and realistic options.

I like Atl's trade proposal, but idk if Toronato would go for it. Another option could be to swap out Gordon for another team that has second thoughts on a high-price contract. Gordon for Hibbert could be one, but Hibbert is not really a better offensive player than Asik. Plus, then we'd only have a MLE to use to round out the roster after we let Asik walk for a nominal upgrade at the 5. We could also look to a Gordon for Batum swap if Portland loses out on Matthews. But then we'd be saddled with a large K for an underachieving player for an extra year (I think Batum has 2years left).

I'm not sure we can get anything for Gordon that also allows us to keep cap flexibility for the future that's not better than just letting him play out his last year. I'm also not sure Dell would sell low on Anderson based on his history with keeping Gordon. It looks to me that the most likely outcome of this offseason is a resigning of Asik on a 3/33-36 type deal and just a small vet signing to round out the roster.

if you think Brook Lopez is even remotely as good on defense as Asik, there is no point explaining how you are wrong. You think it because you think it.