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re: Offseason Trade Possibility
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:40 am to Hester Carries
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:40 am to Hester Carries
I'm a little disappointed that the OP of this thread passed up MrPel's infamous "Kevin Durant is Back" post in total downvotes.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 11:17 am to Hester Carries
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He is a nice player. He can crash the offensive glass and rebound, but has no real game on offense and isn't a rim protector.
his offensive game is get a offensive rebound and put it back up, ill take that.
From what we saw from the Warriors game we NEED someone who aggressively crashing the boards
And he isnt the greatest rim protector, however he is good enough. Light years better than Anderson
But I do agree, hardest thing will be to convince him to come off the bench again. Unless we go unorthodox and put AD at center and Thompson at 4. Maybe signing back Asik to be our center who comes of the bench
Posted on 4/30/15 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
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It was a joke about getting a bunch of Kentucky players.
I know. That's why I selectively quoted you. You know I'm all about context.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 12:18 pm to Smedium27
Thompson is a non-starter for me. His offensive game isn't much of an improvement over Asik, if any. Asking Davis to play 5 so Thompson can play the 4 is silly, when Asik can provide the same things while allowing Davis to play the 4.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:15 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Better fit for this team IMO
Thompson > Anderson
Going small Thompson & AD > Anderson & AD
Offensive rebounds Thompson ( equal to or better) Asik
Offensive game Thompson > Asik
Thompson > Anderson
Going small Thompson & AD > Anderson & AD
Offensive rebounds Thompson ( equal to or better) Asik
Offensive game Thompson > Asik
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:38 pm to Smedium27
You're not actually going small if the opponent can keep their center in the game and match him up v Thompson. He's a better finisher than Asik (who isn't :badabing:) but he's nowhere near the defensive rebounder or defender Asik is. I'd rather pay Asik $13M/year than Thompson.
If the Warriors series taught us anything, it's that the Pels need more players who can defend/rebound and shoot. Thompson isn't a guy like that at all.
If the Warriors series taught us anything, it's that the Pels need more players who can defend/rebound and shoot. Thompson isn't a guy like that at all.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 8:57 pm to corndeaux
False...Thompson can rebound, play defense against most 4's and some 5's
And he can actually score in the paint
Been drinking. ...
And he can actually score in the paint
Been drinking. ...
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:04 am to Swank
I gave him an upvote out of pity
and agree with corndeaux, ryno for Patterson and Ross
Thompson is not an upgrade
and agree with corndeaux, ryno for Patterson and Ross
Thompson is not an upgrade
Posted on 5/1/15 at 4:56 pm to cgrand
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Thompson is not an upgrade
Agree to disagree
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:33 pm to mattz1122
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Pretty sure Anderson is getting traded with Asik for Parsons.
As long as Parsons is coming back healthy it sounds good to me. Monty is going to match up with opponents and put Asik on the bench anyways.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 4:56 pm to mattz1122
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Pretty sure Anderson is getting traded with Asik for Parsons
Only way this works for both is if chandler comes to the pelicans in a sign and trade on a cheaper deal. Dallas getting too much in this trade
Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:49 pm to corndeaux
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I'd rather pay Asik $13M/year than Thompson.
If we pay any center $13 million dollars a year, his name better not be Asik, or Thompson for that matter.
THe only way i'd be ok with signing that slow dumbass that can't finish to anything over $10 would be if we had young talent we acquired through the draft that we know are going to be good, but you actually have to have draft picks for that to happen.
After AD signs, i don't want 30% of the remaining salary to go towards a guy that can't shoot, can't finish, and can't stay on the court down the stretch b/c he's too slow to properly play a pick and roll without switching.
i'll give him $9 million tops, if we can't find any other way to get another center here. If he wants more, go get it somewhere else and we'll save our money for next years free agency. We need to quit making dumb financial decisions that affect our long term goal or creating a championship team.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 1:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
The new cap is changing salaries drastically. $13M today is nothing like $13M a year ago.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 1:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If we pay any center $13 million dollars a year, his name better not be Asik
get ready to be disappointed because if asik doesnt sign here for that or more it will be because he got a higher offer
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:24 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The new cap is changing salaries drastically. $13M today is nothing like $13M a year ago.
Don't give me this crap again.
Just b/c the cap raises 40% doesn't mean everyone's salary raises 40%. It just means the superstars with max contracts will make 40% more.
Think about this.
AD signs for 25% of the salary cap. That is a given.
If the cap the next 2 years is 70/88, like some have projected, then AD makes 18/22 respectively.
The remaining salary we have left after that is 52/66.
Having this retard tied up for 20-25% of the remaining cap, when we are about to hit the biggest free agency market ever after next year, is just retarded.
He wants to make $13 million next year, then fine, you get a 1 year contract.
You want a long term deal, 3 years for $31 is ok with me, if the salary hits are $8, $10, $13 respectively, and i still don't like it that much b/c i don't' think he does anything that makes us a championship caliber team and the money we spend on him could be better spent on a player capable of making an actual difference on this team on both ends of the court, and that player needs to play either the 2 or 3 spot, not the 5.
5's don't win championships, unless they are Shaq/Olajuwon/Duncan.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 4:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Don't give me this crap again.
Okay, I'll mark you down as willfully ignorant. Thanks for the update.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 5:09 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Teddy is right in his conclusion but wrong in the logic.
The cap change doesn't effect the proportion of the cap max players can get, 25-35%. So while AD will get more money, it doesn't really have any effect (per se) on any other players ability to get more money.
But to say every player will get more money is also faulty. You would have to assume that all players cap proportions will remain the same. That's probably not true.
Real value MAX players, LeBron/AD/Westbrook/etc... cap proportions won't change only because they are locked down by the "max" proportion a team can offer.
I'd be willing to bet the cap change benefits most those all-star caliber players and hinders the group of just"starter" caliber players. Basically guys who are the 2nd and 3rd best players on a team could see a significant bump in pay while the 4-5th guys pay probably won't increase as much (though still at least probably some pay bump).
Basically, that 3rd best guy on the team could see a big pay bump. Think of the Miami situation a few years back. If Miami had more money, they wouldn't have gave it Chris Anderson, that money would have went to LeBron and Wade.
The cap change doesn't effect the proportion of the cap max players can get, 25-35%. So while AD will get more money, it doesn't really have any effect (per se) on any other players ability to get more money.
But to say every player will get more money is also faulty. You would have to assume that all players cap proportions will remain the same. That's probably not true.
Real value MAX players, LeBron/AD/Westbrook/etc... cap proportions won't change only because they are locked down by the "max" proportion a team can offer.
I'd be willing to bet the cap change benefits most those all-star caliber players and hinders the group of just"starter" caliber players. Basically guys who are the 2nd and 3rd best players on a team could see a significant bump in pay while the 4-5th guys pay probably won't increase as much (though still at least probably some pay bump).
Basically, that 3rd best guy on the team could see a big pay bump. Think of the Miami situation a few years back. If Miami had more money, they wouldn't have gave it Chris Anderson, that money would have went to LeBron and Wade.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 5:22 pm to TheJruth
It will be interesting to see where the cut off is. This is typically a rich get richer situation, but it's not like Asik is an MLE level player. I know a lot of people on this board think that's all he deserves, but he was an $8 million player under a $58 million cap, centers always get overpaid, and to the people that didn't have emotional investment in every fumble and blown layup, he just had his most efficient season on offense ever while still being one of the top rebounders in the league.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:54 pm to TigerinATL
Ya Asik is getting a pay increase for sure. Bigs get overpaid. I just hate overpaying players just because the team can overpay them.
Mason at Bourbon Street Shots (stupidest name of any blog, ever) had a good article on the cap situation. You bring back Asik for more than 10 Million dollars and bring back Cole and Ajinca, the team probably will only be able to bring in minimum or near minimum guys if it wants to avoid paying the tax.
The more I've thought about it, the more i've come around to letting Ajinca walk and paying Asik. Tough choice, but I think there are some gambles you can take at the back end of the C market this year, that if they pay off, could give you a starting caliber center to go along with Asik. Also, if were keeping Monty around I'm not sure I want to pay a guy who is consistently in Monty's dog house.
Lavoy Allen, Blatche (If he wants to come back), McGee, Sanders, Henry Sims, Jerebko ... all guys who just have more potential than Ajinca and might be better long term investments. [Yes I am aware some of these guy's are PF's but there all guys who are capable of playing center. i.e. 6'9" 250 Ilbs and up.
Mason at Bourbon Street Shots (stupidest name of any blog, ever) had a good article on the cap situation. You bring back Asik for more than 10 Million dollars and bring back Cole and Ajinca, the team probably will only be able to bring in minimum or near minimum guys if it wants to avoid paying the tax.
The more I've thought about it, the more i've come around to letting Ajinca walk and paying Asik. Tough choice, but I think there are some gambles you can take at the back end of the C market this year, that if they pay off, could give you a starting caliber center to go along with Asik. Also, if were keeping Monty around I'm not sure I want to pay a guy who is consistently in Monty's dog house.
Lavoy Allen, Blatche (If he wants to come back), McGee, Sanders, Henry Sims, Jerebko ... all guys who just have more potential than Ajinca and might be better long term investments. [Yes I am aware some of these guy's are PF's but there all guys who are capable of playing center. i.e. 6'9" 250 Ilbs and up.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:51 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Okay, I'll mark you down as willfully ignorant. Thanks for the update.
Right back at ya.
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