re: mozgov is everything I wish asik would be

1 offseason with Moffitt...

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That's the thing about his offensive game. He can't dominate anyone no matter who's guarding

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I didn't even bring that up b/c it's obvious the poster that said that hasn't watched a lick of Asik this year if they hope that. Some people don't see how bad offensively he is, they just look at some advanced stats and think what they are seeing is better than it is.

that's the effort i'm talking about. I just think there was a lack of effort from him this year, and it showed in his play.
That's my biggest complaint with him.

If you're going to be a role player, you better give 100% to that role, and he did not this past year.

You guys do know Mozgov was traded for 2 firsts right?

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You guys do know Mozgov was traded for 2 firsts right?

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They were future firsts from playoff teams and they're pretty heavily protected.

The OKC pick which they used to move McGee to Philly probably will be a pick in the 20s next year if they get healthy. If they don't get healthy it might end up becoming 2 2nds.

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first-rounder (top-18 protected, top 15 protected in 2016 and 2017, otherwise converts to 2017 and 2019 second-rounders)

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The Memphis pick probably doesn't become real until 2017, and if they resign Gasol it will probably be a pick in the 20s

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first-rounder (top-five protected and 15-30 protected through 2016, top-five protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019)

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We traded Cole Aldrich (#11) for 2 picks in the 20s and cap relief, so I don't think it's unreasonable to say our pick, which most people expected to be 14 or lower, is in the ball park of value of the 2 protected future 1sts Denver got.

I guess the question I keep asking that I never seem to get an answer to is:

What is the alternative (realistically)?

We can sit here and complain all day about Asik, and nobody believes he is ideal, but for the people who complain about him - Offer some solutions instead of just saying how bad he is. I think once you have to do that, you see it is much easier to complain about the problem than to fix it.

Best I could do is moving Tyreke for a pick that can land you Willie Cauley-Stein. Let's say Tyreke for #7, JJ Hickson, Foye, and the pick. They shed some salaries and get Tyreke if they move Lawson in a separate deal. You use Hickson and/or another low tier guy to share the C position with WCS this year and get another mid-level SF. Let's say Dunleavy.

Jrue/Cole
Gordon/Foye
Q-Pon/Dunleavy
AD/Ryno
Hickson/WCS/Baynes

But that is a stretch. It is really hard to come up with a likely, realistic alternative.

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I totally understand that we realistically will not be able to upgrade from Asik this offseason. However, is it worth locking him into a long term deal because he's the best that we can do THIS offseason? I also understand that after making the playoffs, going through a coaching overhaul, hopefully better luck inury-wise, and another year of progression from AD, that the expectation is to take the next step and maybe land a top 5 seed in the West, but would it make more sense long term to sign a Center with the MLE, and addressing Center next offseason after Gordon and Ryno come off the books, and the cap increases? The 2016 Center Free Agent pool isn't looking so great, so maybe it's a moot point. I do expect him to look better under Gentry and Erman, even though he wasn't as bad last year as a lot of fans make him out to be.

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This is a legitimate argument for not re-signing Asik this summer. However, you have to be willing to take a step back this year in order to maybe take a leap forward in 2016-17. I don't know if anybody in this franchise is willing to to do that and I can't imagine the players would respond well to that after taking a step forward last year.

What Dell needs to do, ideally, is sign Asik to a deal he can get out of in a year or two if he has to. This is why I have advocated signing him to a deal that starts higher this year and declines. If Asik is on the books for 9 mil in 2017, it won't be hard to dump him if you have to for a star if you get that opportunity.

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Well we wouldn't have the MLE unless we re-sign Asik, right?

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You have to renounce it and other exceptions to get under the cap. So not renouncing those exceptions keeps you over the cap. But the MLE can only be used to sign a player, so trading for a player like we did with Asik last year means you'd renounce your exceptions to create cap space. But if you're just going after a FA signing, it's unlikely that $5.5ish in cap space is more useful to you than the $5.4 MLE. One way in which it could be though, is $5.4 MLE + $2.1 BAE if you stay over the cap vs. $5.5 cap space + $2.7 Cap Room Exception if you go under the cap. There could be a scenario where that $2.7 makes a difference.

Whether you use cap space or the MLE thought, the problem is you are using an asset to replace Asik rather than keeping Asik and adding talent to the roster. It's the kind of short term subtraction that I don't think Demps and Gentry can afford unless they think Asik won't work and go after someone like Brandan Wright instead.

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We can sit here and complain all day about Asik, and nobody believes he is ideal, but for the people who complain about him - Offer some solutions instead of just saying how bad he is. I think once you have to do that, you see it is much easier to complain about the problem than to fix it.

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I understand why we need to resign him.
Best case scenario is it's a 1 year deal.

We cant sign a FA center, meaning we don't sign Asik,
So we have to trade him if we want to upgrade.
Problem with that is, who the hell wants him? What team would he benefit?

Every team in the league has a center that either makes more and is better than Asik, or is as good or better than Asik and makes less than Asik.

Only way we could trade him is if a team with a higher paid center wants to unload him, like the Bulls with Noah or Brooklyn with Lopez, and those two would probably cost a lot, and i doubt it's worth it. No team is going to unload their promising young guy to get Asik. Milwaulke has Zaza who isnt' good and Henson, who has looked good and is young. Would be nice to get Zaza on his last year at 5.5m, even though he sucks like Asik but is an expiring, and throw in Dudley in a S&T. So a S&T Asik for a S&T Dudley and expiring Zaza. Not even sure that is possible.

I'd be fine trading Asik and others to get a better SF. Problem with that is just about every team has a center that would start over Asik, so they aren't going to take him on and have him come off the bench.

So we are stuck with him. I just want to be stuck with him for 1 more year, but i understand that is probably unrealistic as well.

so i bitch about him b/c i know we are going to keep him and there's nothing else that can be done about it and i don't like it.