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re: Jrue meeting with Pelicans at 12:01am Friday night
Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:59 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:59 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
If the choice was Beverly or Fournier I think I have to go with Fournier.
I like either of them, but Beverley may actually give you better spot up shooting than Fournier. Fournier is definitely the better slasher, though.
ETA: adding Beverley to the Pels makes them an elite defensive team and doesn't sacrifice too much offense, IMO.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 3:01 pm
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 3:04 pm to Epic Cajun
I love me some pat beverly. If we got him from the clips after resigning Jrue this off-season went well for us
Posted on 6/29/17 at 3:04 pm to Epic Cajun
Beverley also doesn't kill you with cap space especially if you can convince the Clips to take Ajinca or something. They'll ask for Moore though.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 3:05 pm to TigerinATL
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If the choice was Beverly or Fournier I think I have to go with Fournier. The team has enough perimeter defenders but not enough perimeter scoring, shooting and play making.
I think Fournier is a piece we should try to go for, ontop of that he's under contract for 3 more years (1 more player option i assume he opts out) as opposed to Bev's 2.
While true, I think Bev fits right in but I don't think Clippers will trade him. He's that jack of all trade player you want on a team.
career 37.5 3pt shooter (while attempting 4.4 a game)
The last 2 years: 39% and 4.4 attempts
decent rebounder: 4.7 last 2 years
decent ball handler: 3.8 APG to 1.4 TOV the last 2 years
great defender (1st team D)
You have to respect his shooting. He plays hard nosed defense. Good leadership (which we kind of need). Hard for LAC to give up on him for a 1st which would be mid-late and ajinca who isn't much
Posted on 6/29/17 at 3:06 pm to TigerinATL
Fournier is a better fit, to me at least
But Beverly would be great here also. He's the perfect energy guy, and does a bit of everything.
But Beverly would be great here also. He's the perfect energy guy, and does a bit of everything.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 3:09 pm to htran90
quote:
Hard for LAC to give up on him for a 1st which would be mid-late and ajinca who isn't much
IMO it depends on what happens with Griffin. If he leaves, then Clips need to go all out rebuild mode, which means a pick will be more important than 2 more years of Beverley.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 3:29 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Beverley/Crawford
Jrue/Moore
Hill/Justin
AD/Diallo
Cousins
while that would be a great defensive team, really great actually, i think our two big men would have a very hard time operating with space with that kind of lineup.
As others said, i'd rather Fournier over Beverly, and yeah i'd rather a
Jrue
Fournier
Hill
AD
Cousins
lineup over what i suggested, but i'd rather my lineup over your defensive lineup, considering the 3 guys i want are also very good defenders, and young.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 3:45 pm to TeddyPadillac
We had Tim Frazier playing that role last year and the bigs did just fine. I feel pretty good that replacing Frazier with Beverly, a good shooter, would not negatively affect our offense.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
What do y'all think it would realistically take to trade for Fournier? I think he's become the #1 player that I'm hoping we trade for, assuming we resign Jrue. That starting 5 you posted would be sweet.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:12 pm to Jon1798
quote:
We had Tim Frazier playing that role last year and the bigs did just fine. I feel pretty good that replacing Frazier with Beverly, a good shooter, would not negatively affect our offense.
No, that's clearly a net positive but this team is dire need of playmakers and Fournier is definitely that. His $17m salary scares me.
Moore ($8,445,024) + Ajinca ($4,961,798) + QPon ($3,853,931) + 2018 Top 3 Protected First should get you there salary wise. Not sure if Orlando would be willing to take that though. They have a logjam of bigs as is in Vucevic, Biyombo, Zimmerman, Gordon.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:12 pm to RUFshreve
quote:
What do y'all think it would realistically take to trade for Fournier?
1) 12MM in outgoing salary to ORL
2) a first round pick going to ORL
3) a brain aneurysm on the part of ORL's GM
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:13 pm to cgrand
Moore + QPon does work...so they may bite on that if they are looking to rebuild. Pondexter is expiring and Moore has history there.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:15 pm to BallHawk
I just don't know if Orlando would trade him. He is by far there best scorer and there only perimeter threat.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:17 pm to RUFshreve
His RPM rank among SGs puts him in the ball park of Will Barton and Belinelli. Belinelli was traded for a late 1st, I'd expect Barton's current value to be a late 1st. If you use other measures like VORP or Win Shares per 48 he's in the ball park of guys like E'Tuanne Moore and I don't think most of us feel Moore could pull a 1st and Fournier is making twice as much money.
To me that says if they are looking to just move on from Fournier a 1st is the most they'd be able to get. A 1st with Ajinca + QPon + Toupane should be enough to bring back Fournier.
Yeah, but the advanced stats say he's not all that good and is probably over paid. If he didn't seem to fit well I wouldn't be interested.
To me that says if they are looking to just move on from Fournier a 1st is the most they'd be able to get. A 1st with Ajinca + QPon + Toupane should be enough to bring back Fournier.
quote:
He is by far there best scorer and there only perimeter threat.
Yeah, but the advanced stats say he's not all that good and is probably over paid. If he didn't seem to fit well I wouldn't be interested.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:18 pm to Jon1798
Someone who is a salary guy. Is there a way for us to re-sign Jrue, sign Justin Holiday, trade for Beverly, and sign Terrance Jones?
Justin could sign to the MLE. Jones to the BAE, trade Ajinca + 1st for Beverly? That would at least work when it comes to salary right? I guess if you need more you can stretch Asik
Beverly/Crawford/Cook
Jrue/Moore/FJ
Hill/Holiday/Q-Pon
AD/Jones/Diallo
Cousins
I can hang with this. Also didnt realize Beverly is a career 37.5% 3-point shooter
Fournier is a tough sell for me. Yes he is 24 years old but he also has $17 mil due to him over the next 4 seasons. Reminds me of Peja all over again
Justin could sign to the MLE. Jones to the BAE, trade Ajinca + 1st for Beverly? That would at least work when it comes to salary right? I guess if you need more you can stretch Asik
Beverly/Crawford/Cook
Jrue/Moore/FJ
Hill/Holiday/Q-Pon
AD/Jones/Diallo
Cousins
I can hang with this. Also didnt realize Beverly is a career 37.5% 3-point shooter
Fournier is a tough sell for me. Yes he is 24 years old but he also has $17 mil due to him over the next 4 seasons. Reminds me of Peja all over again
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:26 pm to DeionDeion
quote:
Someone who is a salary guy. Is there a way for us to re-sign Jrue, sign Justin Holiday, trade for Beverly, and sign Terrance Jones?
Yes. You trade Ajinca and a 1st for Beverly. Sign Justin with the MLE and bring back Terrence Jones on a minimum deal which is all he's likely to get after not even being able to get minutes on the team he hand picked to showcase himself.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:32 pm to TigerinATL
Only issue with Fournier is that puts at or over tax this year. Not sure Benson wants to do that right now
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:37 pm to TigerinATL
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Terrence Jones on a minimum deal which is all he's likely to get after not even being able to get minutes on the team he hand picked to showcase himself.
Man was this a colossal frick up for Jones and his agent. He could have likely stayed the course, put up stats next to two premiere bigs, and gotten at least a decent deal in the offseason. Instead, he got exposed as someone no one wanted after bailing on the Pels pushing for a playoff spot for a money/playing time grab.
I remember people saying that there must be something wrong. We knew better. We were just trying to be nice. I don't think there's ill will there at all. I don't think the perception is the same though around the league.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:37 pm to BallHawk
quote:That can be avoided based on the assets sent out to acquire him.
Only issue with Fournier is that puts at or over tax this year. Not sure Benson wants to do that right now
Posted on 6/29/17 at 4:39 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
That can be avoided based on the assets sent out to acquire him.
Yeah, but that makes the trade trickier. If you include Asik a 1st may not be enough to get him. If you include Moore, a 1st is too much to send out. They could also stretch Asik to avoid the tax though.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 4:40 pm
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