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re: Greivis Vasquez' Elite Accomplishments
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:56 pm to Jester
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:56 pm to Jester
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Yet you do exactly that instead of letting another poster's statement stand. You had to one-up it.
You can call it a one-up. I don't call it that. In fact, I call the entire statement:
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The rebounding was addressed by another poster and is clearly available for those who want to check.
Acknowledging that person's contribution while using it, again, so as to not repeat the detailed information they provided.
The cherry-picking of my statements to make me look like some negative-word-of-your-choice is less than cool.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:56 pm to 42
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That's exactly the kind of pick I is
I've always kind of thought of you as the type that was never picked...and I'm out.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:56 pm to 42
Solid Post. I only had a couple minors disagreements but nothing major.
You mentioned Vasquez' "ease-of-replacement." I think thats been my main issue with some of the trade/replace Vasquez folks. I think some people are overestimating how easy it would be to replace him.
If there were a bunch of guys sitting around out there that could get you almost 15/10 a night, more guys would do it.
I believe that unless you're bringing in one of those elite level PGs, the improvement you're gonna get over Vasquez won't be great enough to shift many wins.
Thats kind of the +/- i weigh in my own head. I don't believe any of the PGs on the market or in the draft have CP potential.
So to me, I think, what gets us farther? Whatever improvement we might get at PG from someone like Marcus Smart + scraping the bottom of the barrel for a starting SF? Or Vasquez + a legit starter at SF in the draft?
You mentioned Vasquez' "ease-of-replacement." I think thats been my main issue with some of the trade/replace Vasquez folks. I think some people are overestimating how easy it would be to replace him.
If there were a bunch of guys sitting around out there that could get you almost 15/10 a night, more guys would do it.
I believe that unless you're bringing in one of those elite level PGs, the improvement you're gonna get over Vasquez won't be great enough to shift many wins.
Thats kind of the +/- i weigh in my own head. I don't believe any of the PGs on the market or in the draft have CP potential.
So to me, I think, what gets us farther? Whatever improvement we might get at PG from someone like Marcus Smart + scraping the bottom of the barrel for a starting SF? Or Vasquez + a legit starter at SF in the draft?
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:57 pm to Jester
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Vasquez is at a position of zero depth and a dearth of upgrades available
You are right. You said zero depth and a dearth of upgrades. Both are exaggerations.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:58 pm to Jester
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I've always kind of thought of you as the type that was never picked...and I'm out.
You got me on the slip of the key. At least you didn't get me on the topic. Enjoy the r.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:08 pm to eyeran
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You mentioned Vasquez' "ease-of-replacement." I think thats been my main issue with some of the trade/replace Vasquez folks. I think some people are overestimating how easy it would be to replace him.
If there were a bunch of guys sitting around out there that could get you almost 15/10 a night, more guys would do it.
I believe that unless you're bringing in one of those elite level PGs, the improvement you're gonna get over Vasquez won't be great enough to shift many wins.
Thats kind of the +/- i weigh in my own head. I don't believe any of the PGs on the market or in the draft have CP potential.
So to me, I think, what gets us farther? Whatever improvement we might get at PG from someone like Marcus Smart + scraping the bottom of the barrel for a starting SF? Or Vasquez + a legit starter at SF in the draft?
I don't think it's easy to replace his passing skill at all. In all likelihood, that AST%/TOV% will take a dip with any accessible replacement.
I do think point guard with a better overall game, though not as good of a passer, would help the team. He's just so slow.
Here's another angle:
Rather than look at Vasquez, look at Vasquez and Aminu as a package. What if, using cap space, you can bring in a better SF and a PG. Now, compare that combination to the SF's you can get without making such a trade (so a FA . . . who else do we send out to get quality?), and compare that FA SF and GV to the traded-for SF and PG. That is the kind of comparison I'm making, and that differs in character from just comparing the point guards in those situations.
A better defender at the the point maybe more useful if Eric Gordon can play 60 games a season (both halves of each game) and a slashing, consistent SF who can create (like Gordon) may make GV's passing a luxury.
I'm not saying, again, that this is the way to go and I don't have a trade drawn up, and I'm not looking to send GV packing. I'm just laying out other ways to think about it.
The best way to briefly state my position is that I can imagine realistic deals that I'd be ok with that involve Vasquez leaving the Pelicans.
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