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re: Gordon still undecided on next year, has until June 29
Posted on 6/10/15 at 1:28 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 6/10/15 at 1:28 pm to Chad504boy
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I don't think it's as guaranteed he opts in like most assume. It can be very tempting for him to go after a mid term range deal with more security.
This is pretty much where I stand. I've always kind of assumed he'd back back but I've never considered it a 100% done deal like others
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 6:34 pm to tunechi
It won't happen, but I will giggle my arse off if he opts out.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:58 pm to TigerinATL
I mean would he be interested in something just over 4 years/ $45 million.
2015 - $10.55 million
2016 - $11.02 million
2017 - $11.50 million
2018 - $11.97 million
Would that even be that beneficial for the team? IDK. Maybe.
The organization also has to solidify the team where they take the step towards contention.
2015 - $10.55 million
2016 - $11.02 million
2017 - $11.50 million
2018 - $11.97 million
Would that even be that beneficial for the team? IDK. Maybe.
The organization also has to solidify the team where they take the step towards contention.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:10 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I mean would he be interested in something just over 4 years/ $45 million.
That's got to be in the ball park he'd think about, but just barely.
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Would that even be that beneficial for the team? IDK. Maybe.
Yes and no. If you don't resign Asik you'd have about $10.5 million in cap space. You'd lose the MLE, but maybe you have enough to sign a DeMarre Carroll. You wouldn't have any money left over for a center to replace Asik though. You could also probably turn Asik into Koufos, but then you'd have no money to add a wing.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:27 pm to TigerinATL
I'd go 3/30 tops tbh
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:35 pm to LosLobos111
I was honestly thinking 4yr/40mil was where it was going to be. Pretty much 3yr/25mil which would be slightly discounted considering a new contract (barring injury) would probably pay him around teh 9-10mil mark on the new tv deals.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:37 pm to LosLobos111
Unless he has a ridiculous injury again I doubt he won't be able to sign a contract for atleast 2 years / $15 million.
I think he would have to be given 2-3 years with at least $10 million a year each. He is worth a $10 million a year contract if healthy. The other thing is does a small contract for him next year really help out. It may be a situation where we would get a discount on his next contract and not really get a huge nenefit in cap relief for this coming season.
I like Gordon on this team and he probably is a pretty good fit in the new system.
I think he would have to be given 2-3 years with at least $10 million a year each. He is worth a $10 million a year contract if healthy. The other thing is does a small contract for him next year really help out. It may be a situation where we would get a discount on his next contract and not really get a huge nenefit in cap relief for this coming season.
I like Gordon on this team and he probably is a pretty good fit in the new system.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 6/11/15 at 12:05 pm to Colonel Flagg
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He is worth a $10 million a year contract if healthy
all definitions of worth at due to be recalibrated
15 is the new 10
Posted on 6/11/15 at 1:45 pm to cgrand
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I like Gordon on this team and he probably is a pretty good fit in the new system.
ISWYDT
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:05 pm to cgrand
Fact: Gordon was an elite 3 point shooter last year.
Fact: He is a solid passer. (3.8 assists per game)
Fact: His defensive stats are lousy now.
Fact: He had a career low in PPG.
Fact: His PER was under 13.
Fact: He can no longer get to the rim.
Fact: He does not draw fouls.
Fact: He has played in an average of 53 games per season in his 7 year career.
Fact: The most games he has ever played, by a large margin, was 78 his rookie season.
Does the above profile look like someone who is going to get 10 mil per year from any rational GM? Hell no. You guys are out of your damn mind if you think any GM is going to drop 10 on a guy with massive injury issues with really only one great skill set, the catch and shoot 3.
Fact: He is a solid passer. (3.8 assists per game)
Fact: His defensive stats are lousy now.
Fact: He had a career low in PPG.
Fact: His PER was under 13.
Fact: He can no longer get to the rim.
Fact: He does not draw fouls.
Fact: He has played in an average of 53 games per season in his 7 year career.
Fact: The most games he has ever played, by a large margin, was 78 his rookie season.
Does the above profile look like someone who is going to get 10 mil per year from any rational GM? Hell no. You guys are out of your damn mind if you think any GM is going to drop 10 on a guy with massive injury issues with really only one great skill set, the catch and shoot 3.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:33 pm to Solo
1 day later and John Reid is now saying he's close to opting in
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:34 pm to Cap Crunch
Shocking.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:24 pm to Solo
quote:
Fact: Gordon was an elite 3 point shooter last year. Fact: He is a solid passer. (3.8 assists per game) Fact: His defensive stats are lousy now. Fact: He had a career low in PPG. Fact: His PER was under 13. Fact: He can no longer get to the rim. Fact: He does not draw fouls. Fact: He has played in an average of 53 games per season in his 7 year career. Fact: The most games he has ever played, by a large margin, was 78 his rookie season. Does the above profile look like someone who is going to get 10 mil per year from any rational GM? Hell no. You guys are out of your damn mind if you think any GM is going to drop 10 on a guy with massive injury issues with really only one great skill set, the catch and shoot 3.
Solo gives the goods on EG. He answered my question. I mean, he needs to have one year, like right now, to play close to 80 games to be worth 9 mil+, even with a rising cap.
There are some back up pg and sg who are younger with much more upside than EG.
He may wind up being great, but I wouldn't bet top dollar to chance it, not with his history with the Pels.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:31 pm to mrbayoublu
What backup PG/SG?
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:41 pm to LosLobos111
Louis Williams backup pg to DeMar DeRozan at Toronto.
9 yrs in the league. Louis has one year left on his contract that will pay him 5.4 mil.
His numbers:
ppg 15 apg 2.1 rpg 1.9 PER 19.90
9 yrs in the league. Louis has one year left on his contract that will pay him 5.4 mil.
His numbers:
ppg 15 apg 2.1 rpg 1.9 PER 19.90
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:45 pm to mrbayoublu
Lou has always been a backup though. Gordon has always been a starter. That distinction matters when it comes to money. Jodie Meeks, another career backup shooter just got $7 per. I don't think it's crazy to think Gordon can get $10, especially with the escalating cap. Giving him "the new $10" at $15 per does seem crazy though.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:46 pm to mrbayoublu
Lou Williams is a chucker and is a minus on defense. Plus he's not even younger than EG. Sweet Lou will be 29 when the season starts. EG will turn 27 at the end of December.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:48 pm to mrbayoublu
Part of the spin from ESPN on Louis:
The 2015 NBA Sixth Man of the Year has stated he'd like to remain with the Raptors. However, he's likely to have plenty of suitors this summer after leading the league in pick and roll scoring efficiency during the 2014-15 regular season.
ESPN Profile
The 2015 NBA Sixth Man of the Year has stated he'd like to remain with the Raptors. However, he's likely to have plenty of suitors this summer after leading the league in pick and roll scoring efficiency during the 2014-15 regular season.
ESPN Profile
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:51 pm to tgr4ever
But Louis played 80 games last season. EG has never played 80 games with the Pels. 78 his first year.
And sure, Louis may not be the answer, but what I am saying is that there are other prospects as good or better than EG without the injury problems.
No matter the upside with EG, he has injury probs.
And sure, Louis may not be the answer, but what I am saying is that there are other prospects as good or better than EG without the injury problems.
No matter the upside with EG, he has injury probs.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:57 pm to mrbayoublu
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But Louis played 80 games last season. EG has never played 80 games with the Pels
Quite irrelevant when you're talking backup vs. starter. It's probably more akin to having a swimming pool. It doesn't keep you from selling at a higher price, it just limits the pool of interested buyers, no pun intended. Gordon will be signed as a starter, not a backup, but only by a team that thinks his injury history isn't as bad as it looks.
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