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re: Fire Dell Demps 2017-2018 Offseason/Season Long Thread
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:43 am to Mr.Perfect
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:43 am to Mr.Perfect
I didn't renew either. Slowly trying to lose interest so I won't be flat out miserable in a few years
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:55 am to MrPel
This won't be popular, but I'd lump the Cousins trade and the Holiday contract in with all his other past mistakes. It just doesn't make sense and he doesn't fit with Davis. Plus the team is hamstrung and cannot improve to any great significance now or in the immediate future. Its depressing..
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:44 pm to brmark70816
If there is a chance to add another superstar to your franchise, I feel like you have to do it and see how it plays out. Acquiring Boogie is an experiment that you have to take a chance on and we should all wait and see how it works this season.
Jrue had us by the nutsack because if you don't sign him, we would've had like $16 in cap space to sign a free agent to replace him. Jeff Teague got 19 so we basically had no choice. It will be nice to have Jrue in camp and healthy for a full offseason. This was due to the compounded effect of the past bad signings having us cap tied.
I'm not ready to give up on Hill just yet, but he needs to step up and show me something this year. I attribute all of our current issues to the Asik signing.
Jrue had us by the nutsack because if you don't sign him, we would've had like $16 in cap space to sign a free agent to replace him. Jeff Teague got 19 so we basically had no choice. It will be nice to have Jrue in camp and healthy for a full offseason. This was due to the compounded effect of the past bad signings having us cap tied.
I'm not ready to give up on Hill just yet, but he needs to step up and show me something this year. I attribute all of our current issues to the Asik signing.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:53 pm to SoFresh
I don't agree on the experiment or that they had to make the move. That is the type of move a perennial contender makes to put them over the top. Not a sub .500 team to make the playoffs. Having two premier post players is redundant and a luxury we can't afford. We could have stood pat and kept to the plan (if there ever was one)..
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:59 pm to SoFresh
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I attribute all of our current issues to the Asik signing.
It all goes back to the Tyreke Evans trade.
You give up Vasquez and, more importantly, Lopez to get Evans. This leaves you with a gaping hole at the 5. In order to fill the hole that you created to bring in a redundant piece, you have to overpay for Asik, giving up a first. Then, when Asik expires, you are left in the same situation as we were in this year with Jrue. You can let him walk, but you're left with no ability to replace him, so you overpay again. Unfortunately, overpaying Jrue this year, means that you'll be capped for the foreseeable future after maxing out Cousins next year.
We've been throwing bad money after bad money for about 4 years now and nobody in the organization can apparently see what's been obvious the whole time, Demps is in over his head.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:06 pm to brmark70816
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I don't agree on the experiment or that they had to make the move. That is the type of move a perennial contender makes to put them over the top. Not a sub .500 team to make the playoffs. Having two premier post players is redundant and a luxury we can't afford. We could have stood pat and kept to the plan (if there ever was one)..
Some would say Curry and Klay are redundant?
We have the best front court in the NBA. The idea is to build around AD and Cousins isn't some crazy experiment. You act as if 2 big men can't play together in the modern game and that's crazy. If Demps can get us Lin then you have a very formidable top 5 in the West ball club. Meaning, Cousins chances of staying increase and cap room opens up next season.
Pelicans are probably 2-3 years away from making a legit run at title if we keep AD and Cousins. How many teams can say that?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:07 pm to Jester
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It all goes back to the Tyreke Evans trade.
that is the one move that caused a horrible chain reaction.
he should be fired for that alone, we outbid ourselves for him.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:08 pm to htran90
quote:Yep. In getting Evans, he gave away a solid inexpensive 5 in RoLo which eventually let to us shipping a 1st to Houston for Asik and getting into that mess.
that is the one move that caused a horrible chain reaction.
he should be fired for that alone, we outbid ourselves for him.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:09 pm to Jester
Its a knee jerk response with no planning. Why would you let Holiday make it to FA? Same with Gordon and Anderson. If someone gets a 25M a year contract, they had to have some kind of trade value. Get value while you can and find back ups capable of stepping in. No way I would have given Holiday that contract.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:13 pm to Rakim
No, nobody would say Klay and Curry are redundant. They play different positions and have different games. Plus you can play a ton of great wings together. That is the modern NBA. Name me one team, in the past 30 years, that won with two great post players averaging a combined 50+ppg..
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:13 pm to brmark70816
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No way I would have given Holiday that contract.
You say that but if your job was on the line and I'm saying keeping Cousins happy then you sign Holiday.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:22 pm to brmark70816
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No, nobody would say Klay and Curry are redundant. They play different positions and have different games. Plus you can play a ton of great wings together. That is the modern NBA. Name me one team, in the past 30 years, that won with two great post players averaging a combined 50+ppg..
They can both play the 1 and 2
Both shoot the 3 ball, can pass and dribble etc?
You're the one calling AD and Boogie redundant. I haven't seen anyone saying that about the 2 or saying it can't work? Obviously they won't average 50 ppg but they can post around 45 ppg and shoot high percentages. They can open up shots for others on the court because there aren't a lot of teams that can guard both those guys 1 on 1 in the post.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:09 pm to Rakim
I hate the Asik contract, but Demps has a very nice core in Davis, Cousins, and Holiday.
The NBA is about stars and those three guys put the Pels in the top third of the league from the start. Most teams either don't have stars and flexibility or they have stars and don't have flexibility. Thebgoal right now is to just find role players.
Everyone in this thread just acts like it is super easy when in reality everyone is so far behind the Warriors it isn't funny. The Warriors are just lucky Curry was hurt during his contract year, the cap expanded, and Durant is willing to drastically undermine the integrity of the league salary structure.
The current Pels core would seem a lot more like contenders if the conferences were balanced and the Warriors didn't have all that luck extending their run. Davis and Cousins are the two best big men in the league (excluding Lebron James from consideration). Holiday is one of the best all around combo guards in the league.
The NBA is about stars and those three guys put the Pels in the top third of the league from the start. Most teams either don't have stars and flexibility or they have stars and don't have flexibility. Thebgoal right now is to just find role players.
Everyone in this thread just acts like it is super easy when in reality everyone is so far behind the Warriors it isn't funny. The Warriors are just lucky Curry was hurt during his contract year, the cap expanded, and Durant is willing to drastically undermine the integrity of the league salary structure.
The current Pels core would seem a lot more like contenders if the conferences were balanced and the Warriors didn't have all that luck extending their run. Davis and Cousins are the two best big men in the league (excluding Lebron James from consideration). Holiday is one of the best all around combo guards in the league.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:10 pm to Fun Bunch
I'll never understand the asik extension
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:10 pm to Fun Bunch
There are bigger fish to fry.
Fire Loomis, hire David Griffin as President and let him decide Demps' fate. It's time we got a real POBO. It reflects poorly on the franchise when the president pubicly states that his role with the pelicans is "overblown" and that he doesn't "have a lot to do with that."
Article on Loomis' role with Franchise
Fire Loomis, hire David Griffin as President and let him decide Demps' fate. It's time we got a real POBO. It reflects poorly on the franchise when the president pubicly states that his role with the pelicans is "overblown" and that he doesn't "have a lot to do with that."
Article on Loomis' role with Franchise
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:14 pm to BilJ
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I'll never understand the asik extension
Not a fan either, but he did have a decent season leading up to it. He averaged almost ten boards and about 7 points. He just doesn't fit in with Gentry's scheme or in today's NBA for that matter.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
Dell still has some arrows left in that quiver: 2018 and 2019 first round draft picks, ready and willing to be traded.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:01 pm to Fun Bunch
Imagine if AD was cool with playing C full time.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:59 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The NBA is about stars and those three guys put the Pels in the top third of the league from the start.
they drafted a generational talent 5 years ago through sheer luck.
that alone put them ahead of about 20 teams in the league. all they have to show for those 5 years is one season above 34 wins, a 1st round sweep, and a capped out team that is around 50/50 to go above .500 this season with those three guys.
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Everyone in this thread just acts like it is super easy when in reality everyone is so far behind the Warriors it isn't funny. The Warriors are just lucky Curry was hurt during his contract year, the cap expanded, and Durant is willing to drastically undermine the integrity of the league salary structure.
The current Pels core would seem a lot more like contenders if the conferences were balanced and the Warriors didn't have all that luck extending their run. Davis and Cousins are the two best big men in the league (excluding Lebron James from consideration). Holiday is one of the best all around combo guards in the league.
that is all just sort of sad. but i guess its good someone is still a peliever
Posted on 7/10/17 at 6:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Just think how terrible the Pelicans would be with dell at the helm if he hadn't lucked into getting AD.
The team would have been built around Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
Still holding out hope for a trade none of us expect. He should get canned anyway; but if they doesn't happen, he 100% needs to gtfo
The team would have been built around Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
Still holding out hope for a trade none of us expect. He should get canned anyway; but if they doesn't happen, he 100% needs to gtfo
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