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re: AFA dodged, WTF
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:29 am to SouthMSReb
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:29 am to SouthMSReb
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The only reason everyone hates him is because he's not a shooter.
You can't be a 3 and D wing without the 3. He had a good year in Dallas playing fewer minutes in a more limited role, and now he gets paid? I don't want to believe that $7.5 million is the going rate for 18 MPG one dimensional backups now.
Yeah he's young, and if he ever does figure out his shot he'll be pretty good, but I'm glad we're not the ones paying his new deal.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 8:29 am
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
Portland has cap space
who the frick else are they going to spend it on?
who the frick else are they going to spend it on?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:43 am to TigerinATL
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You can't be a 3 and D wing without the 3.
So, he isn't a 3 and D wing. Acting like the only value at the 3 position is 3 and D or rounded star is faulty.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:47 am to TigerinATL
Value is relative. Aminu had a good year playing an en vogue role in a similar offense to PDX. He has very real value as a small ball 4 next to a big with some range. Now, if they think he is a Batum replacement, they are going to be disappointed.
Like cgrand said, PDX has cap space. They can't use the MLE, so they had to come in above to get who they wanted. For the Pels and their roster, it's too rich. For Portland, it's still a fairly big guarantee, but it makes some sense.
Like cgrand said, PDX has cap space. They can't use the MLE, so they had to come in above to get who they wanted. For the Pels and their roster, it's too rich. For Portland, it's still a fairly big guarantee, but it makes some sense.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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So, he isn't a 3 and D wing. Acting like the only value at the 3 position is 3 and D or rounded star is faulty.
Can you stop knighting Aminu for 2 seconds, there are more serious questions to be answered here. Is this a isolated overpay we see every year like Jodie Meeks, or is this a devaluing of the MLE now that the cap is rising and it's been decoupled from the cap? You typically have to be a starting caliber player to get more than the MLE. Aminu's improvement last year came playing a bench role.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:54 am to TigerinATL
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You typically have to be a starting caliber player to get more than the MLE. Aminu's improvement last year came playing a bench role.
That is the question. To me, I think it's a little bit of both Meeks overpay and devaluing of the MLE. Portland is in a bad spot.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:57 am to corndeaux
these contracts are all going to look terrible in year 1 and generally better in the coming years. This was the year to overpay
I think I would love to have Aminu for 7.5MM next year and 2 years after that
this year doesn't matter, they had to use their space
I think I would love to have Aminu for 7.5MM next year and 2 years after that
this year doesn't matter, they had to use their space
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:03 am to cgrand
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these contracts are all going to look terrible in year 1 and generally better in the coming years. This was the year to overpay
Yup. It will, likely, be a very good deal after year 1.
Like ATL is alluding to, this seems to be a blow to the Pels chances of getting a desired wing target at the MLE. Maybe now looking at Dorrell Wrights instead of Crowders.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:05 am to corndeaux
it will be interesting to see
I still think one of the greens will sign for 5MM
I still think one of the greens will sign for 5MM
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:05 am to TigerinATL
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Can you stop knighting Aminu for 2 seconds, there are more serious questions to be answered here. Is this a isolated overpay we see every year like Jodie Meeks, or is this a devaluing of the MLE now that the cap is rising and it's been decoupled from the cap? You typically have to be a starting caliber player to get more than the MLE. Aminu's improvement last year came playing a bench role.
Dude, settle down. I'm not knighting for Aminu. I responded directly to a statement you made that had NOTHING to do with value of the MLE. You're the one digressing.
Yes, the MLE is absolutely devalued with regard to the cap. There is no disputing that at all. The MLE is really only going to be useful bringing in 8th or 9th chair players now, unless you have an extremely unbalanced roster.
ETA - How many actual "3 and D" SFs are there in the NBA now?
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:21 am to Galactic Inquisitor
7.5
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:30 am to Epic Cajun
Funny to see the difference between our view and the Portland Fans/Mavericks Fans reddit.
We all saw a pretty terrible player for us and we find this overpaying by a large amount. He was a decent in Dallas, and those fans seems to be kinda upset about his departure. Trailblazer fans believe they got a steal and are excited.
We all saw a pretty terrible player for us and we find this overpaying by a large amount. He was a decent in Dallas, and those fans seems to be kinda upset about his departure. Trailblazer fans believe they got a steal and are excited.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:34 am to hendersonshands
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Portland probably couldn't even finish saying $30 million before Airminu signed.
and you wouldn't?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:38 am to Epic Cajun
MLE = 5.305M w/ 67.1 cap
Equivalents projected:
7.037M w/ 89M cap 2016/2017
8.538M w/ 108M cap 2017/2018
7.906M w/ 100M cap 2018/2019
8.064M w/ 102M cap 2019/2020
8.459M w/ 107M cap 2020/2021
5.305+7.037+8.538+7.906 = $28.786M. It was also reported that the cap may be $2M higher than expected next year. My equivalents also assumed that the MLE had the same relative value this year as last year, even with a higher cap (I used next year's cap as baseline). So, he basically got equivalentMLE+500k for four years. It may be a slight overpay, but isn't as egregious as people are acting.
Equivalents projected:
7.037M w/ 89M cap 2016/2017
8.538M w/ 108M cap 2017/2018
7.906M w/ 100M cap 2018/2019
8.064M w/ 102M cap 2019/2020
8.459M w/ 107M cap 2020/2021
5.305+7.037+8.538+7.906 = $28.786M. It was also reported that the cap may be $2M higher than expected next year. My equivalents also assumed that the MLE had the same relative value this year as last year, even with a higher cap (I used next year's cap as baseline). So, he basically got equivalentMLE+500k for four years. It may be a slight overpay, but isn't as egregious as people are acting.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:43 am to CocoLoco
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We all saw a pretty terrible player for us and we find this overpaying by a large amount. He was a decent in Dallas, and those fans seems to be kinda upset about his departure. Trailblazer fans believe they got a steal and are excited.
We had to rely on him to start when he was here. He is obviously not an NBA starter
He found the perfect situation in Dallas as a rotational player off the bench.
If Portland relies on him for 20+ minutes, the lulz will ensue
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:43 am to WeeWee
This just means the MLE is seriously devalued this year and in future years.
As I've said, we are going to have to hope that 2-3 FAs just fall through the cracks and need to take short term deals to prove their worth. We also are going to have to find a diamond in the rough out of nowhere type of guy.
As I've said, we are going to have to hope that 2-3 FAs just fall through the cracks and need to take short term deals to prove their worth. We also are going to have to find a diamond in the rough out of nowhere type of guy.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:44 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I was answering your question about how many 3 and D SF's there were in the NBA, it was just a coincidence that it was the same number as Aminu's deal. I actually didn't do it on purpose 
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:45 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I personally do not think Aminu is worth the MLE. Maybe half of it, so even where the cap is going, I would have given him 4/18-20 max.
I would rather have signed a group of guys to 1 year deals and kept max flexibility if I were Portland, but trust me, I am so happy with how their offseason is going. Can't wait to see them competing for ping pong balls
I would rather have signed a group of guys to 1 year deals and kept max flexibility if I were Portland, but trust me, I am so happy with how their offseason is going. Can't wait to see them competing for ping pong balls
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:46 am to Fun Bunch
Honestly, the Pels sitting tight this year is the best thing they can do.
AD/Gentry, healthy roster, cap space next year, Durant Board, is the formula we want.
AD/Gentry, healthy roster, cap space next year, Durant Board, is the formula we want.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:48 am to Fun Bunch
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We also are going to have to find a diamond in the rough out of nowhere type of guy.
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