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re: 2016: The year of the Wowzer Deals!!!! (Pelicans Future)
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:42 pm to THRILLHO
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:42 pm to THRILLHO
It is weird to me that everybody wants to throw the bank at Durant before he has even recovered. I know all reports say that he looks great and ahead of schedule. But feet problems have doomed plenty of guys. Especially super tall guys like Durant. He has already had a couple of set backs and then they had to do the surgery over. No one really knows what he'll look like until the season really gets started and he put real pressure on it.
Personally I think he signs the biggest extension he can get with an opt out, after a season. That way he can secure as much money as possible while giving him options for the future. Either way, I don't think he'll be a FA next summer. He'll have his opt out in the summer of 17.
Personally I think he signs the biggest extension he can get with an opt out, after a season. That way he can secure as much money as possible while giving him options for the future. Either way, I don't think he'll be a FA next summer. He'll have his opt out in the summer of 17.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:47 pm to brmark70816
Legit points all around. Brees scenario 2.0
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:54 pm to brmark70816
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It is weird to me that everybody wants to throw the bank at Durant before he has even recovered.
We kind of have ~11 months before anyone offers him a deal. We'll figure out a lot about his health in that time.
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But feet problems have doomed plenty of guys.
Agreed. He will be a bit of a bigger risk than a lot of legit max guys, even if he stays healthy this season.
But let's say that he re-aggravates his foot and misses the final 60 games of the season. He's still going to get a max deal if his foot looks like it could be fully healed come 2016/17. shite, an injury scaring off a few teams could be the best chance the Pels have of landing him.
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Either way, I don't think he'll be a FA next summer.
Why wouldn't he have already signed a one year extension if that was his plan?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:00 pm to brmark70816
Why wouldn't he enter free agency next off season, then sign a 1+1 with whoever he wants? (If his goal is to get the most money possible)
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:01 pm to THRILLHO
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I enjoy his trolling at this point in the offseason. Nothing else is going on. When he starts popping into midseason Pelicans discussions is when he needs to be hardcore ignored.
Agreed, at this point I just want to talk about basketball. Even if it's in response to a troll.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:07 pm to THRILLHO
I thought he had until November to sign an extension with OKC. I figured they were waiting for more of the cap details to come out before they finalized anything. Plus being hurt, I thought the team would wait until he was healed, just to make sure..
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:09 pm to brmark70816
As soon as I read your last post, I tried finding the deadline for extending a vet. I'm only seeing that info for players on rookie deals, so I don't know.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:43 pm to brmark70816
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It is weird to me that everybody wants to throw the bank at Durant before he has even recovered.
One of the things that came out when they shut him down was that bone grafts are more effective, they just are more involved with a longer recovery time and aren't always needed so it's not the first option.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:46 pm to THRILLHO
A big issue is that he could only receive 107.5% of his last salary on his contract for the 16-17 season. Which would only be 21.67 mil, versus the roughly 25 mil that he could make in the 16-17 season if he signs a free agent deal.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:04 pm to Epic Cajun
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A big issue is that he could only receive 107.5% of his last salary on his contract for the 16-17 season. Which would only be 21.67 mil, versus the roughly 25 mil that he could make in the 16-17 season if he signs a free agent deal.
Really? I know they are saying L. James is going to opt out next summer and go from making 23 to almost 40. I don't know why he could go up so fast and not Durant. Davis already signed for close to 30 a year. With the max to be determined off the new cap. It's my understanding that Durant can sign the exact same contract as Davis. Since the Rose rule and players with Durant's seniority can both get 30% on a max contract. Or am I missing something?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:28 am to brmark70816
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I know they are saying L. James is going to opt out next summer and go from making 23 to almost 40. I don't know why he could go up so fast and not Durant.
Opting out is signing a new deal, not extending a current deal. Extensions got completely neutered in the CBA fight. IIRC they were attempting to make a rule that would allow the teams to throw even more money at their own players and CP3 got it butchered and now extensions are practically worthless.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 6:29 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:30 am to brmark70816
A few things:
Durant won't sign an extension because the money is less and it has to be at least 3 years (IIRC). That is, he can't do a LeBron 1+1 via extension. That Denver got two guys (wings no less) is interesting. But no max player will sign an extension barring a CBA change. Davis signed a rookie extension, which is different than a non rookie extension.
Like you say, max salaries are based, almost entirely, on years in the NBA. Durant will have 9 years of NBA service and be eligible for a 30% max ($27M). Davis, because of the Rose rule, will most likely qualify for a 30% max. But James, as a player with 10+ years, can make 35% of the cap ($31.5M).
As for LeBron getting $40M, that is if he signs a max in 2017. He could get 35% of a $108M cap or ~$38M in year one. Add in 7.5% raises for subsequent years and he is easily over $40M annually. If he opts out next summer, it will be ~$31M in year one.
Durant won't sign an extension because the money is less and it has to be at least 3 years (IIRC). That is, he can't do a LeBron 1+1 via extension. That Denver got two guys (wings no less) is interesting. But no max player will sign an extension barring a CBA change. Davis signed a rookie extension, which is different than a non rookie extension.
Like you say, max salaries are based, almost entirely, on years in the NBA. Durant will have 9 years of NBA service and be eligible for a 30% max ($27M). Davis, because of the Rose rule, will most likely qualify for a 30% max. But James, as a player with 10+ years, can make 35% of the cap ($31.5M).
As for LeBron getting $40M, that is if he signs a max in 2017. He could get 35% of a $108M cap or ~$38M in year one. Add in 7.5% raises for subsequent years and he is easily over $40M annually. If he opts out next summer, it will be ~$31M in year one.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 6:42 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:30 am to TigerinATL
I didn't realize that effect on extensions/new contracts. Its a shame. I know GMs can't like their players having to wait until they are FAs to sign new deals. Too big of a chance of losing a big name and getting nothing in return. I don't like it..
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:15 am to brmark70816
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I know GMs can't like their players having to wait until they are FAs to sign new deals.
It's not what they wanted, they actually were aiming for more control, but CP3 managed to get it killed and an unintended consequence was extensions are mostly useless now, especially at the max level.
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Owners dropped their insistence on what would have been known as the Carmelo Anthony rule, preventing teams from executing extend-and-trade deals similar to the one that sent Anthony from the Denver Nuggets to the New York Knicks last season. This means that if Dwight Howard, Deron Williams and Chris Paul want to leverage their way out of Orlando, New Jersey and New Orleans, they will still be eligible to sign three-year extensions with their current teams before being immediately traded elsewhere.
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:38 am to brmark70816
The only reason that the Denver extensions were able to be structured the way that they were, is because Denver had cap space. So, they could give their players a bump in pay this season, then start the extension the season after with a max of 107.5% of this season's total. The Thunder couldn't do that with Durant because they don't have the cap space to increase his salary this upcoming season.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:46 pm to Boomshockalocka
Wait, so now boom thinks Durant would even consider houston? 
Dude is a mental midget...
Dude is a mental midget...
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:49 am to TigerBait2008
It's times like these where we need to revisit your playoff predictions, hopefully you went to a hoops summit or something during your time off because you may be the least knowledgeable hoops poster in the history of the internet.
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Let's take a look and point and laugh at your basketball predictions. Now this is every prediction you've made that has been settle since the playoffs started.
You're working on a 0 for everything.
Keep it up bro.
On Cavs-Hawks Game 1:
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Cavs by 10+...
WRONG
On Rockets Clips Game 7
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Why wouldn't thwy be favored? They have dominated all but one game. Clips win..
WRONG
Rockets Clips Game 6
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Clips by 15+...
WRONG
Game 5 Rockets Clips
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If I were you I wouldn't be surprised if HOU comes back and wins this.
this dumbass here.....
WRONG
Game 5 Same Series
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Series over you whiny bitch.....
WRONG
Game 3 Hawks Wiz
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Wiz by 10+
WRONG
On Rockets Mavs Series
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Mavs in 6...
WRONG
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:10 am to Boomshockalocka
Just stop, Boom. You're embarrassing yourself. Your level of obsession is sad. I'm sure your family is worried about you.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:13 am to Galactic Inquisitor
2 of them lurk. And they are some of the biggest fans of what I'm doing here along w a couple others.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:44 am to Boomshockalocka
So only non relevants/alters really care?
Color me unimpressed
Color me unimpressed
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