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re: Kurt Cobain
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:33 pm to TFTC
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:33 pm to TFTC
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That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have read on this board... no offense...
It's true though. Those fans got screwed. I and other PJ fans got lucky. I can sit my 40 year old arse down at a PJ concert still if I want to. They cannot.
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other than the fact that they come from the Seattle area and fall under the general umbrella of "rock," they arent alike and have totally different sounds..
I am in no way disagreeing with this. PJ was all over the place initially with Ten while Nirvana essentially sounded like a punk band that evolved with Seattle sound. PJ had major punk influences but you did not find that out til a couple albums in and if you heard a few "imports".
I am not meaning it in a negative way. If Vedder had blown his head off in 1994 I would have had my Cheerios shite in for over a year, and would still be annoyed. And I would try to be a better person but the "Nirvana sucks" and "If Vedder were still alive they would have done" this would creep into my head.
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:45 pm to TFTC
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Nirvana was over rated
I wouldn't say that. They were influential. And to move that many people with the simple music they were playing initially? That says something.
I will always be a Pearl Jam homer, and piss on anyone who says they suck. But I won't go so far as to piss on Nirvana.
Did Cobains death help their legacy? Yes. It always does. You never got to see them mature, but you never got to see them SUCK either.
This is essentially the same argument 55-70 year old dudes are having about Beatles vs. Stones. And some similarities can be drawn. The Stones STILL tour. I think that hurts them at this point as they have become a cartoon. But The Beatles were only together and relevant for what? 8-10 years? And by "relevant" I mean still recording. Then they went on to solo careers. And then like Cobain their fans were robbed by Lennon's murder. Never got to see some Celebration Day type thing like Zeppelin.
It's like choosing between 2 steaming bowls of awesome. I choose the Pearl Jam bowl.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:15 am to TheDoc
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patrick, a lot of what you said isn't factual, but I will agree with you that nirvana came in at the right time and killed off all the bullshite 80's hair metal.
Like what? I can't cite sources right now. It was just things I read over the years in interviews.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 8:29 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Pearl Jam
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steaming ....
Posted on 1/4/14 at 8:57 am to windshieldman
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So, would ya'll say GnR destroyed hair metal or grunge?
neither. I think GNR just kept doing what they did and that was making good rock music.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 9:07 am to Patrick O Rly
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Kurt Cobain could barely tune his guitar.
Despite what you've read on the internet, cobain was a very good guitarist.. Was he jimmy page? No. But he wrote simple catchy songs, and live, he wailed.
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He had trouble hitting his distortion pedal at the right time while recording Teen Spirit.
This is laughable
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A lot of his lyrics were laughable.
Always enjoyed his lyrics.
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Their most enjoyable recordings are covers.
Tells me you haven't listened to nirvana other than the singles maybe? Bleach, nevermind, and in utero are great
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He sang out of his range all the time.
Says who exactly? I think Kurt had a very distinct original voice.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 9:13 am to Baloo
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But they are very similar to 80s hair metal both musically and aesthetically
No. And I think you you are trying to make this comparison retroactively by even throwing in the glam rock references.
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G'n'R is what happens when a 70s NYC punk band shows up by time machine to 1980's LA.
You are totally saying this b/c you're a fan of GNR and east coast punk.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 12:15 pm to Cdawg
The correct answer here is, The Smashing Pumpkins.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 12:41 pm to Cdawg
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G'n'R is what happens when a 70s NYC punk band shows up by time machine to 1980's LA.
You are totally saying this b/c you're a fan of GNR and east coast punk.
Yeah, I thought that was a reach
Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:08 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
I actually don't really like glam rock. Nor do I like the NY Dolls all that much, though I do think Johnny Thunders is one of the best guitarists to ever live. But if you can't see the influence of glam and 70s NY punk on 80s hair metal, then I don't know what to tell you. It's right there on the surface. Bands like Poison are pretty much mainstream versions of the Dolls.
Also, G'nR's 70s punk influence is pretty obvious not just in their sound and look, but the Spaghetti Incident?! Look at the bands they covered, it's largely 70s NYC punk.
And, no, I'm not a huge fan of the CBGB's 70s punk scene. At least not the antecedents of hair metal like the Dead Boys and the Dolls. I like hardcore. Which was primarily a west coast thing, and DC. But DC hardcore sounds almost nothing like 70s NYC punk. They are different worlds musically and culutrally (the CBGB scene was far more interested in the "art scene"). G'n'R is nothing like 80s DIY punk, the music I prefer. Nirvana, of course, came right out of that scene.
70s NYC punk and 80s hardcore are both under the "punk" umbrella, but really, they are pretty different. 70s NYC punk would split off into art rock and hair metal while 80s hardcore would morph into emo and grunge.
Also, G'nR's 70s punk influence is pretty obvious not just in their sound and look, but the Spaghetti Incident?! Look at the bands they covered, it's largely 70s NYC punk.
And, no, I'm not a huge fan of the CBGB's 70s punk scene. At least not the antecedents of hair metal like the Dead Boys and the Dolls. I like hardcore. Which was primarily a west coast thing, and DC. But DC hardcore sounds almost nothing like 70s NYC punk. They are different worlds musically and culutrally (the CBGB scene was far more interested in the "art scene"). G'n'R is nothing like 80s DIY punk, the music I prefer. Nirvana, of course, came right out of that scene.
70s NYC punk and 80s hardcore are both under the "punk" umbrella, but really, they are pretty different. 70s NYC punk would split off into art rock and hair metal while 80s hardcore would morph into emo and grunge.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 4:09 pm to Baloo
Don't forget 80s hardcore influence on thrash as well.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 5:24 pm to TheDoc
The tuning thing was a story from a producer.
Kurt talked about how he struggled to get the timing right while recording Teen Spirit.
He didn't seem to put much thought into his lyrics. For every Heart Shaped Box, there were a handful of All Apologies.
I haven't listened to their albums in years. I lost interest in them shortly after learning how to play the guitar, around 14 or 15 years old. I'm 31 now. People will point to the unplugged album, but I thought the best songs on there were the covers, and just as good if not better than songs from their own catalog.
He stretched his ranged all the time, and he'd get really raspy, which is fine if you're playing grunge, because sounding like shite is ok.
Kurt talked about how he struggled to get the timing right while recording Teen Spirit.
He didn't seem to put much thought into his lyrics. For every Heart Shaped Box, there were a handful of All Apologies.
I haven't listened to their albums in years. I lost interest in them shortly after learning how to play the guitar, around 14 or 15 years old. I'm 31 now. People will point to the unplugged album, but I thought the best songs on there were the covers, and just as good if not better than songs from their own catalog.
He stretched his ranged all the time, and he'd get really raspy, which is fine if you're playing grunge, because sounding like shite is ok.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:57 pm to Cdawg
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other than destroying hair metal from within and being from LA, not really. That was two different audiences. Jane's had some west coast punk influences. Where GNR was straight up hard rock.
It was only two different audiences because GnR had such massive success. Pre blow up, GnR and Jane's shared a lot of fans. Also, there is plenty of punk influence on Appetite.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 9:50 pm to Patrick O Rly
I don't think you would hit a distortion pedal mid recording..
Usually there's separate clean & distorted tracks.
And it's actually kind of pain to tune in the studio. Everything has to be very perfect.
Usually there's separate clean & distorted tracks.
And it's actually kind of pain to tune in the studio. Everything has to be very perfect.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 10:10 pm to Kayhill Brown
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I don't think you would hit a distortion pedal mid recording..
Usually there's separate clean & distorted tracks.
And it's actually kind of pain to tune in the studio. Everything has to be very perfect.
The dude was just trying to get some press, that´s for sure. I´m sure he didn´t proffer up how many times Kurt told him to frick off.
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 1/4/14 at 10:23 pm to Dandy Lion
also kurt played a 60's mustang and those things go out of tune on the regular... i'm sure he had bad intonation as well from throwing that thing around.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:16 pm to Baloo
Baloo, right or wrong, I'm going down with the ship on this one if I have to but you're again letting your dislike of one and love for the other distort the reality.
That's fine but saying mid 80's Jane's was musically and aesthetically similar to hair bands like Poison is wrong. If you want to call Jane's glam b/c Perry looks liked a girl in dreadlocks instead of primped sprayed hair and they had some metal riffs here and there, I'll concede that. But the typical hair band of LA? no. GNR on the other hand, was exactly that while Jane's was considered the alternative band. You're trying to claim that little hint of punk and make them something they weren't and then totally discount the bigger influence of janes.
An album of cover songs doesn't make them The Damned. That was 1993 and I thought we were discussing pre-grunge. Also, Jane's addiction covered The Dead but I wouldn't call them a jam band.
Appetite was a hard rock album from the likes of the Stones, Zep, ACDC, Halen, which was the same type of music popular and influential with the hair bands. Only GNR didn't look the part even though they were pushed that way with welcome to the jungle video. Appetite was mainstream and the popularity was built by the hair band sound and fans. Jane's wasn't a mainstream act in 87,88, or 89. Their popularity actually grew from the actual punks of LA. In 88' GNR was out touring with Motley Crue, Aerosmith, and the likes while Janes was hitting the smaller circuits with Iggy and The Ramones.
Am I wrong but are you arguing that since Jane's looked more like a glam metal band, they were vs GNR didn't look like one, so they weren't? That's what it seems.
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But if you can't see the influence of glam and 70s NY punk on 80s hair metal, then I don't know what to tell you
That's fine but saying mid 80's Jane's was musically and aesthetically similar to hair bands like Poison is wrong. If you want to call Jane's glam b/c Perry looks liked a girl in dreadlocks instead of primped sprayed hair and they had some metal riffs here and there, I'll concede that. But the typical hair band of LA? no. GNR on the other hand, was exactly that while Jane's was considered the alternative band. You're trying to claim that little hint of punk and make them something they weren't and then totally discount the bigger influence of janes.
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G'nR's 70s punk influence is pretty obvious not just in their sound and look, but the Spaghetti Incident?! Look at the bands they covered,
An album of cover songs doesn't make them The Damned. That was 1993 and I thought we were discussing pre-grunge. Also, Jane's addiction covered The Dead but I wouldn't call them a jam band.
Appetite was a hard rock album from the likes of the Stones, Zep, ACDC, Halen, which was the same type of music popular and influential with the hair bands. Only GNR didn't look the part even though they were pushed that way with welcome to the jungle video. Appetite was mainstream and the popularity was built by the hair band sound and fans. Jane's wasn't a mainstream act in 87,88, or 89. Their popularity actually grew from the actual punks of LA. In 88' GNR was out touring with Motley Crue, Aerosmith, and the likes while Janes was hitting the smaller circuits with Iggy and The Ramones.
Am I wrong but are you arguing that since Jane's looked more like a glam metal band, they were vs GNR didn't look like one, so they weren't? That's what it seems.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:21 pm to northshorebamaman
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Pre blow up, GnR and Jane's shared a lot of fans.
Yeah, they were the regulars at The Roxy or the Go-go.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:22 pm to Cdawg
quote:I think this encapsulates his posts.
are you arguing that since Jane's looked more like a glam metal band, they were vs GNR didn't look like one, so they weren't? That's what it seems.
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Appetite was a hard rock album from the likes of the Stones, Zep, ACDC, Halen,
Meh, it was slick. I´d say Van Halen for sure, Zep somewhat, late ACDC yeah, Stones, no.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:27 pm to Dandy Lion
I only said Stones for the edginess and vibe it did seem to have.
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