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re: Greatest lyricists of all time

Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:41 pm to
Some offerings by the late Mark Heard, who I mentioned early on:

Tip of My Tongue

There's an oasis in the heat of the day
There's a fire in the chill of night
A turnabout in circumstance makes each a hell in its own right

I've been boxed-in in the lowlands, in the canyons that think
I've been pushed to the brink of the precipice and dared not to blink
I've been confounded in the whirlwind of what-if's and dreams
I've been burned by the turning of the wind back upon my own flames

Knock the scales from my eyes
Knock the words from my lungs
I want to cry out
It's on the tip of my tongue

I've seen through the walls of this kingdom of dust
Felt the crucial revelation
But the broad streets of the heart and the day-to-day meet
at a blind intersection

I don't want to be lonely, I don't want to feel pain
I don't want to draw straws with the sons of Cain
You can take it as a prayer if you'll remember my name
You can take it as the penance of a profane saint

Knock the scales from my eyes
Knock the words from my lungs
I want to cry out
It's on the tip of my tongue

There's an oasis in the heat of the day
There's fire in the chill of night
And when I know them both, I'll know your love -
I will feel it in the twilight

As circumstance comes crashing through my walls like a train
Or like a chorus from the mountains of the ocean floor
Like the wind-burst of birdwings taking flight in a hard rain
Or like a mad dog on the far side of Dante's Door

Knock the scales from my eyes
Knock the words from my lungs
I want to cry out
It's on the tip of my tongue

Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
1765 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:45 pm to
Orphans of God
Mark Heard

I will rise from my bed with a question again
As I work to inherit the restless wind
The view from my window is cold and obscene
I want to touch what my eyes haven't seen

But they have packaged our virtue in cellulose dreams
And sold us the remnants 'til our pockets are clean
'Til our hopes fall 'round our feet
Like the dust of dead leaves
And we end up looking like what we believe

We are soot-covered urchins running wild and unshod
We will always be remembered as the orphans of God
They will dig up these ruins and make flutes of our bones
And blow a hymn to the memory of the orphans of God

Like bees in a bottle we are flying at fate
Beating our wings against the walls of this place
Unaware that the struggle is the blood of the proof
In choosing to believe the unbelievable truth

But they have captured our siblings and rendered them mute
They've disputed our lineage and poisoned our roots
We have bought from the brokers who have broken their oaths
And we're out on the streets with a lump in our throats

We are soot-covered urchins running wild and unshod
We will always be remembered as the orphans of God
They will dig up these ruins
And make flutes of our bones
And blow a hymn to the memory of the orphans of God
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
1765 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:51 pm to
Last one

Treasure of the Broken Land
Mark Heard

I see you now and then in dreams
Your voice sounds just like it used to
I know you better than I knew you then
All I can say is I love you

I thought our days were commonplace
Thought they would number in millions
Now there's only the aftertaste
Of circumstance that can't pass this way again

Treasure of the broken land
Parched earth, give up your captive ones
Waiting wind of Gabriel
Blow soon upon the hollow bones

I saw the city at its tortured worst
And you were outside the walls there
You were relieved of a lifelong thirst
I was dry at the fountain

I knew that you could see my shame
But you were eyeless and sparing
I awoke when you called my name
I felt the curtain tearing

Treasure of the broken land
Parched earth give up your captive ones
Waiting wind of Gabriel
Blow soon upon the hollow bones

I can melt the clock hands down
But only in my memory
Nobody gets the second chance to be the friend they meant to be

I see you now and then in dreams
Your voice sounds just like it used to
I believe I will hear it again
God how I love you

Treasure of the broken land
Parched earth give up your captive ones
Waiting wind of Gabriel
Blow soon upon the hollow bones
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
13937 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 3:34 pm to
Page three and no one has mentioned this guy?

Keep a fire burning in your eye
Pay attention to the open sky
You never know what will be coming down
I don't remember losing track of you
You were always dancing in and out of view
I must've thought you'd always be around
Always keeping things real by playing the clown
Now you're nowhere to be found
I don't know what happens when people die
Can't seem to grasp it as hard as I try
It's like a song I can hear playing right in my ear
But I can't sing, I can't help listening
And I can't help feeling stupid standing 'round
Crying as they ease you down
'Cause I know that you'd rather we were dancing
Dancing our sorrow away (right on dancing)
No matter what fate chooses to play (there's nothing you can do about it anyway)
Just do the steps that you've been shown
By everyone you've ever known
Until the dance becomes your very own
No matter how close to yours
Another's steps have grown
In the end there is one dance you'll do alone
Keep a fire for the human race
Let your prayers go drifting into space
You never know what will be coming down
Perhaps a better world is drawing near
Just as easily it could all disappear
Along with whatever meaning you might have found
Don't let the uncertainty turn you around
(The world keeps turning around and around) go on and make a joyful sound
Into a dancer you have grown
From a seed somebody else has thrown
Go on ahead and throw some seeds of your own
And somewhere between the time you arrive
And the time you go
May lie a reason you were alive
That you'll never know

Jackson Browne-For a Dancer
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
1617 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 3:47 pm to
Ian Anderson - Jethro Tull
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Glad that somebody else thinks Ian Anderson is a great lyricist. Just his treatises regarding God and religion should put him on Mt. Rushmore: My God, Wind Up, Hymn 43, A Christmas Song, etc.
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
13937 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 4:00 pm to
Also

Warren Zevon (we made mad love, shadow love, random love, and abandoned love)
Paul Simon (it's a turnaround jump shot, it's everybody jump start, it's every generation throws a hero up the pop chart)
Robert Hunter (and it's just a box of rain I don't know who put it there, believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare, and it's just a box of rain or a ribbon for your hair, such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to be there)
Roger Waters (did you exhange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage)
Robert Plant (no provisions but an orphan's face)
Billy Joel (so many faces in and out of my life some will last some will just be now and then, life is a series of hellos and goodbyes I'm afraid it's time for goodbye again)
Bruce Springsteen (there were ghosts in the eyes of all the boys you turned away, they haunt this dusty beach road in the skeleton frames of burned out Chevrolets)
Neil Young (where the vulture glides descending, on an asphalt highway bending, through libraries and museums, galaxies and stars, down the windy halls of friendship, to the rose clipped by the bullwhip, the motel of lost companions waits, with heated pool and bar)
Bob Dylan (so now I'm going back again I got to get to her somehow, all the people we used to know they're an illusion to me now, some are mathematicians some are carpenters' wives, I don't know how it all got started I don't know what they're doing with their lives)
Pete Townshend(slit skirts, Jeannie doesn't wear no slit skirts, I don't ever wear no ripped shirts, can't pretend growing older never hurts)
Jim Steinman (nothing ever grows in this rotting old hole everything is stunted and lost, and nothing really rocks and nothing really rolls and nothing is ever worth the cost, and I know that I'm damned if I never get out and maybe I'm damned if I do, but with every other beat I've got left in my heart you know I would rather be damned with you, well if I got to be damned you know I'd rather be damned dancing through the night with you)
Al Stewart(she comes out of the sun with her silk dress running like a watercolor in the rain)

This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 4:03 pm
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
1617 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 4:07 pm to
Any list of lyricists must include

Townes vanZandt,
Dylan
Kristofferson
Cole Porter
John Lennon
Yes, Springsteen, too, in spite of the occasional cor
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I wholeheartedly agree with your list. Regarding Springsteen his first two albums -Greeting From Asbury Park & The Wild, The Innocent and The E-street Shuffle - contain some of the best lyric songwriting of any artist of the last 60 years.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141843 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

That's great poetry?
I don't claim to know anything about poetry.

Most of the stuff posted in this thread comes across as high school doggerel. I suppose the lyrics I posted come off that way too, to someone whose never heard the songs.

We have to remember this stuff wasn't meant to be read on the page, or even read aloud, but sung, with music backing.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
59483 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 5:59 pm to
quote:

We have to remember this stuff wasn't meant to be read on the page, or even read aloud, but sung, with music backing


With the lights out, it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid, and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us
A mulatto, an albino
A mosquito, my libido
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 6:01 pm
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10413 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

Yes, Springsteen, too, in spite of the occasional cor
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I wholeheartedly agree with your list. Regarding Springsteen his first two albums -Greeting From Asbury Park & The Wild, The Innocent and The E-street Shuffle - contain some of the best lyric songwriting of any artist of the last 60 years.


I've noticed this board is negative on Springsteen, but he's exceptional with lyrics. Beyond the albums you mention, Nebraska has some fantastic, bleak lyrics.

He's not all-time because his career is still developing, but in the country/folk genre, these days Willi Carlisle is my favorite.
Posted by TRmadhatter
Member since Sep 2023
21 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:08 pm to
I should add that great lyrics can be written in a lot of ways. Whether it be the heartfelt storyteller writing’s of Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt, or even modern musicians, like the earlier songs of Tyler Childers and Zach Bryan. Or it can be poetic, deeply thought out lyrics, like Robert Plants or Neal Pearts. For example follow you to Virgie, Pancho, and Lefty, burn burn burn and LA Freeway are all songs when I first heard them I didn’t just hear them I felt them. On the other hand, you can’t get any more deeply thought out, beautiful lyrics, like 10 years gone. Or the extremely profound lyrics of limelight. And also, I must add that not all modern music has the bad lyrics. It’s just mainly main stream music. Even though a lot of main stream pop music of the 60s and 70s had terrible lyrics too.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted by TRmadhatter
Member since Sep 2023
21 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:16 pm to
Also to say that Robert plants lyrics weren’t deeply thought out tells me you haven’t listen to much Led Zeppelin material besides what’s played on FM rock radio today.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 7:18 pm
Posted by Bayou Warrior 64
Member since Feb 2021
287 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:10 pm to
My favorites are

Jim Croche
James Taylor
Gordon Lightfoot
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40477 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:54 pm to
Half my posts on the music board are to praise Kris Kristofferson, absolute genius

Jim Croce was brilliant too
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 8:55 pm
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34278 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 10:25 am to
Shannon Hoon
Neil Peart
Regina Spektor
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Posted by TNtrash
The Cotton Fields
Member since Jun 2021
255 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 10:28 am to
James Taylor
Mark Knopfler
The White Buffalo
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22276 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 10:31 am to
quote:

Townes Van Zandt
Shane MacGowan
Bruce Springsteen
Jay Farrar
Tim Rogers
Stephen Malkmus (in a different kinda way)


I should add Paul Westerberg to the above..
This post was edited on 3/23/24 at 10:32 am
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30169 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Bob Dylan

I hate the Internet phrase “and it’s not even close” and I still almost used it here.



The sheer volume of quality lyrics from the man makes him hard to beat in an overall comparison. You may find a song or two or even more from some artist or another (Carrol King comes to mind) but none of them had the staying power Dylan has had.

ETA: Jim Croce was cut short, he was also really good. And I love Gordano Lightfoot but volume still favors Dylan.
This post was edited on 3/23/24 at 1:14 pm
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30169 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

Also to say that Robert plants lyrics weren’t deeply thought out tells me you haven’t listen to much Led Zeppelin material besides what’s played on FM rock radio today.



I will agree with this wholeheartedly.

One of my favorites from their third album

"That's The Way"

I don't know how I'm going to tell you
I can't play with you no more
I don't know how I'm gonna do what mama told me
My friend, the boy next door
I can't believe what people saying
You're gonna let your hair hang down
I'm satisfied to sit here working all day long
You're in the darker side of town

And when I'm out I see you walking
Why don't your eyes see me
Could it be you've found another game to play
What did mama say to me?

That's the way
Oh, that's the way it ought to be
Yeah, yeah, mama say
That's the way it ought to stay

And yesterday I saw you standing by the river
And weren't those tears that filled your eyes
And all the fish that lay in dirty water dying
Had they got you hypnotized?
And yesterday I saw you kissing tiny flowers
But all that lives is born to die
And so I say to you that nothing really matters
And all you do is stand and cry

I don't know what to say about it
When all you ears have turned away
But now's the time to look and look again at what you see
Is that the way it ought to stay?

That's the way
That's the way it ought to be
Oh, don't you know now, mama said
That's the way it's going to stay, yeah

Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
4273 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 5:09 pm to
What you're looking for won't be found easily
It grows upon the mountain, in a sacred place
Up beyond the clouds an ancient ground, so they say
And many men have died trekking up that way
Once he's gazed upon her, a man is forever changed
The bravest men return with darkened hearts and phantom pain
Ages come and go but her life goes on the same
She lives to see the sun and feel the wind and drink the rain
Her colors change to mark the passing of the days
No earthly sight can match the beauty she displays
And when I die, I want her lying by my side
In my grave
In my grave
I'd give it all to love that girl, oh
I'll be the one to pluck that fleur, oh
I've meant to find the place where all good things begin
To smell her scent and watch her dancing in the wind
And when I die, I want her lying by my side
In my grave
In my grave
I'd give it all to love that girl, oh
I'd be the one to pluck that fleur, oh
I'd give it all to love that girl, oh
I'll be the one to pluck that fleur, oh
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