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re: The Dark Tower trailer

Posted on 5/3/17 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by crispyUGA
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 3:07 pm to
...that was a picture of The Overlook Hotel on the therapist's side table.
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:06 pm to
I never read the books but something about this looks.. worrying. Idk if it's just too much CGI or what but it looks bland.

Maybe it's just what little they showed of Flagg didn't give me the feeling of the "Walkin Dude" that The Last Stand did
Posted by red_giraffe
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:44 pm to
From what we've seen of him in True Detective, just imagine him delivering this monologue:

quote:

The universe (he said) is the Great All, and offers a paradox too great for the finite mind to grasp. As the living brain cannot conceive of a non-living brain - although it may think it can - the finite mind cannot grasp the infinite.

The prosaic fact of the universe's existence alone defeats both the pragmatic and the romantic. There was a time, yet a hundred generations before the world moved on, when mankind had achieved enough technical and scientific prowess to chip a few splinters from the great stone pillar of reality. Even so, the false light of science (knowledge, if you like) shone in only a few developed countries. One company (or cabal) led the way in this regard: North Central Positronics, it called itself. Yet, despite a tremendous increase in available facts, there were remarkably few insights.

"Gunslinger, our many-times-great grandfathers conquered the-disease-which-rots, which they called cancer, almost conquered aging, walked on the moon - "

"I don't believe that," the gunslinger said flatly.

To this, the man in black merely smiled and answered, "You needn't. Yet it was so. They made or discovered a hundred other marvelous baubles. But this wealth of information produced little or no insight. There were no great odes written to the wonders of artificial insemination - having babies from frozen mansperm - or to the cars that ran on power of the sun. Few if any seemed to have grasped the truest principle of reality: new knowledge leads to yet more awesome mysteries. Greater physiological knowledge of the brain makes the existence of the soul less possible yet more probable by the nature of the search. Do you see? Of course you don't. You've reached the limits of your ability to comprehend. But nevermind - that's beside the point."

"What is the point then?"

"The greatest mystery the universe offers is not life but size. Size encompasses life, and the Tower encompasses size. The child, who is most at home with wonder, says: Daddy, what is above the sky? And the father says: The darkness of space. The child: What is beyond space? The father: The galaxy. The child: Beyond the galaxy? The father: Another galaxy. The child: Beyond the other galaxies? The father: No one knows.

"You see? Size defeats us. For the fish, the lake in which he lives is the universe. What does the fish think when he is jerked up by the mouth through the silver limits of existence and into a new universe where the air drowns him and the light is blue madness? Where huge bipeds with no gills stuff it into a suffocating box and cover it with wet weeds to die?

"Or one might take the tip of the pencil and magnify it. One reaches the point where a stunning realization strikes home: The pencil tip is not solid; it is composed of atoms which whirl and revolve like a trillion demon planets. What seems solid to us is actually only a loose net held together by gravity. Viewed at their actual size, the distances between these atoms might become league, gulfs, aeons. The atoms themselves are composed of nuclei and revolving protons and electrons. One may step down further to subatomic particles. And then to what? Tachyons? Nothing? Of course not. Everything in the universe denies nothing; to suggest an ending is the one absurdity.

"If you fell outward to the limit of the universe, would you find a board fence and signs reading DEAD END? No. You might find something hard and rounded, as the chick must see the egg from the inside. And if you should peck through the shell (or find a door), what great and torrential light might shine through your opening at the end of space? Might you look through and discover our entire universe is but part of one atom on a blade of grass? Might you be forced to think that by burning a twig you incinerate an eternity of eternities? That existence rises not to one infinite but to an infinity of them?

"Perhaps you saw what place our universe plays in the scheme of things - as no more than an atom in a blade of grass. Could it be that everything we can perceive, from the microscopic virus to the distant Horsehead Nebula, is contained in one blade of grass that may have existed for only a single season in an alien time-flow? What if that blade should be cut off by a scythe? When it begins to die, would the rot seep into our universe and our own lives, turning everthing yellow and brown and desiccated? Perhaps it's already begun to happen. We say the world has moved on; maybe we really mean that it has begun to dry up.

"Think how small such a concept of things make us, gunslinger! If a God watches over it all, does He actually mete out justice for such a race of gnats? Does His eye see the sparrow fall when the sparrow is less than a speck of hydrogen floating disconnected in the depth of space? And if He does see... what must the nature of such a God be? Where does He live? How is it possible to live beyond infinity?

"Imagine the sand of the Mohaine Desert, which you crossed to find me, and imagine a trillion universes - not worlds by universes - encapsulated in each grain of that desert; and within each universe an infinity of others. We tower over these universes from our pitiful grass vantage point; with one swing of your boot you may knock a billion billion worlds flying off into darkness, a chain never to be completed.

"Size, gunslinger... size.

"Yet suppose further. Suppose that all worlds, all universes, met at a single nexus, a single pylon, a Tower. And within it, a stairway, perhaps rising to the Godhead itself. Would you dare climb to the top, gunslinger? Could it be that somewhere above all of endless reality, there exists a room?...

"You dare not."

And in the gunslinger's mind, those words echoed: You dare not.


God I really hope this makes it into the series in some way.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 4:53 pm
Posted by red_giraffe
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

This. I'm looking forward to it as a movie. I think it'll be good. But it is not the Dark Tower and its not Roland Deschain. Using that name for it is a very frustrating disappointment.


I usually agree with a lot of your opinions on here, but this is one area where I disagree. Oh well though. I mean, it's to each his own. I do hope we all come to enjoy it and that it does justice to the books.
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 5:12 pm to
nice nod to Eastwood's man with no name spaghetti westerns with the musicbox

half expected Lee Van Cleef to jump out
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 5:25 pm to
Looks great
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4541 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 5:42 pm to
Spoilers spoilers spoilers










King fricked up a few things that the movie seems to be going a different direction on. His main villains were both taken out in pathetic ways with no direct confrontation ever happening between the protagonists and antagonists, which was an enormous letdown after all of that buildup.
Posted by swagsurfin7
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:03 pm to
Haven't read the books, but I'm planning on it. I guess it won't matter since the movie is sort of a "sequel"?
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:35 pm to
That looks terrible.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:53 pm to
quote:

Pedro Cerrano is his father


Fify

Posted by LsuNav
Sacramento
Member since Mar 2008
1391 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:02 pm to
quote:

Spoilers spoilers spoilers It picks up after the end of the last book. Roland has the Horn of Eld now.


Where is this info from? Is this another journey to TDT?

I just finished listening to the books. I wanted to share in the typical book reader outrage and a movie adaptation.

Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:59 pm to
Don't know why anyone would downvote you for that. That monologue was my favorite part of the entire series. It's one of those very rare things that actually changes the way you think after reading it
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 10:09 pm
Posted by red_giraffe
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:07 pm to
quote:

Don't know why anyone would downvoted you for that. That monologue was my favorite part of the entire series. It's one of those very rare things that actually changes the way you think for having read it.


Haha, I was wondering the same thing. Who the hell down votes that monologue?
Posted by MississippiLSUfan
Brookhaven
Member since Oct 2005
12499 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:55 am to
quote:

...that was a picture of The Overlook Hotel on the therapist's side table.


Showed that pic during a beamquake. Next to the pic is one of the Kan-Toi statues from Desperation.

There's also a reference to IT. There's a statue hand sticking up out of the ground holding some balloons with a big, broken down PENNYWISE sign in the background. Looks like a playground or amusement park. The big spider-skull thing might be Dandelo...who was a very Pennywise-like being.

I like the nod to For A Few Dollars More with the music box/watch tune. Nice touch.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 6:13 am
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124545 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

It picks up after the end of the last book. Roland has the Horn of Eld now.



This is stupid. Roland wouldn't just turn black and lose his bombardier blue eyes because the wheel turned around. It flies in the face of his lineage.
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:26 pm to
His dad was a cuck bruh. It is known
Posted by MississippiLSUfan
Brookhaven
Member since Oct 2005
12499 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:51 pm to
Welp. Stupid or not, that's the premise of this iteration of the DT.

SPOILERS for the books below! Cry off now gunslinger.




When Roland finally opened the door at the top of the dark tower, after seeing the different parts of his life on the levels below, he was yanked through all the way back to the Mojaine desert in pursuit of the man in black. At the last instant he realized that he had failed in his quest, hence his scream of despair, which echoed through the door to the desert as it closed. Then all of his memories of his previous quest were erased and replaced with new ones, as was his body...in this case.

The point was and is that we are left to guess how many times Roland has failed and been sent back for another attempt. Hundreds? Maybe tens of thousands. Maybe he doesn't even reach the tower in thousands of those. Although I believe that he does. I think that it's easy to condemn him to another round just due to tha bastard that he was. He sacrificed everything to get there. As Eddie said, he was a Tower junkie. Just as real an addiction as heroin. Maybe worse.

Childe Roland to the Dark Tower came. He was always supposed to wind the Horn of Eld upon his arrival. Roland dropped it at the battle of Jericho Hill and that was the technicality that the tower caught him out on this time. Although I don't think would have mattered if he wouldn't have had so much blood on his hands. Just my opinion. Think of all of the good people that died because of his obsession.

This time through, he's black. Big deal. He has probably been every race several hundred times. However, THIS time he took the time to bend down and pick up the Horn of Eld during the fight. I suspect that several of the main characters in the books are going to pop up in different situations or similar situations during this quest. Hopefully, not King himself this time. Although he does things differently, some main events could be set in stone and need to be accomplished in order to proceed. Maybe Blaine or Thunderclap or the events in Insomnia leading to the death of Dandelo...and the erasing of the Crimson King. Who knows?

It's like the butterfly effect. Every trip through, in fairness, is a blank page. Hell he probably had every colored eyes in different versions of him. But I agree the bombardier's blue eyes were cool.

I plan on giving it the benefit of the doubt. That's still Roland in that body. And there is a damn fine actor who is playing this part. Let's just give it a fair shake and see where they take it.

Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124545 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:21 pm to
Yeah, with Marten Broadcloak. Randall Flagg. The Man in Black


Not the Black Man in Black
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124545 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

This time through, he's black. Big deal. He has probably been every race several hundred times.


No, he hasn't. Where do you get that from?

He's always Roland Deschain of Gilead, with the Bombardier blue eyes. Son of Steven, descendant of Arthur Eld.

Roland doesn't change his physical identity.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:30 pm to
An easy fix would've been to just give Elba blue contacts and make a joke about sunburn.
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