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Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:10 am to Bamatab
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So what were the parallels between the Klingons and the US? I need to know so that I can be triggered.
In TOS, Klingons were supposed to be allegory to the Soviets.
In STD, they're Trump supporters.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:42 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Doug Jones. Abe Sapien, Silver Surfer...
And this guy:
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:57 am to SSpaniel
I haven't seen the show, but some of the posts in this thread make in clear that a shitload of Star Trek "fans" have no clue about TOS.
While it was intended to be "Wagon Train to the Stars" with a naval/submarine vibe, Gene Roddenberry was very much a utopian who used the show, and the actors (via casting and plot), to address contemporary social and political issues, while trying to show that "in the end" humanity gets their shite together and makes the world a better place. It was not just about seeing who Kirk might bang or kill.
While it was intended to be "Wagon Train to the Stars" with a naval/submarine vibe, Gene Roddenberry was very much a utopian who used the show, and the actors (via casting and plot), to address contemporary social and political issues, while trying to show that "in the end" humanity gets their shite together and makes the world a better place. It was not just about seeing who Kirk might bang or kill.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:06 am to smkspy
quote:Lol. It seemed ok, but I did fall asleep in the part that did get recorded. I liked the take on the rebooted Klingons. They look a lot scarier than some of their previous incarnations.
didn't miss much
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:15 am to SSpaniel
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And this guy:
The only episode of Buffy that I've watched from start to finish.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:00 am to udtiger
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I haven't seen the show, but some of the posts in this thread make in clear that a shitload of Star Trek "fans" have no clue about TOS.
Nice douchy "fans" usage, bet you have your science officer uniform hanging in your bedroom right now lol.
It isn't about forgetting necessarily, it's just those scenes/themes don't have the same cultural impact they held when first aired in the past. They've already made their mark and had their effects felt.
Grew up on TOS and TNG, but I didn't think twice about something like Kirk kissing Ulhura, which was a major deal THEN by 80s/90s were cultural norms.
So it isn't so much the fact that this new series is presenting these ideas. It's more that they're still presenting them decades after many are already societal norms and it just comes off as overly preachy at a time when are tired of that shite.
Smartest thing said in all that was the line about "cultural not being the same as race" and it fell through cracks because of the rest.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:32 pm to Someone
I think they have left it open to which timeline they are in because the events in the JJ Abrahams movie is set 2 years from where discovery is now. I didn't see anything in the first two episodes that would confirm which timeline they are in.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:28 pm to Revan11
Bump for the new episode. This series is very promising. It has a production quality where no TV trek has ever gone before. The story line is intriguing. The tone is dark, but not "trite" or "faux" dark as in previous treks. It actually feels organic for the story. Jason Isaac's Captain also looks to be an interesting character. None of the usual Star Trek tropes on display character wise( maybe with the exception of the animated newbie annoying the almost vulcan...hello Neelix). If it can hold this quality and feel it might be great.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:55 pm to BigAppleTiger
Not sure you'll get many people talking about it, cause we most paying to watch it.
I'll wait . . .
I'll wait . . .
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:32 am to Bham4Tide
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cause we most paying to watch it.
I'll wait . . .
Well... Bye.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:37 am to BigAppleTiger
Third episode sets the series tone. This is a much better series than I expected. Effects, makeup, casting, writing... all top notch. Not having the Captain as the focus is an awesome change for the franchise.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:19 am to Fewer Kilometers
I caught the 3rd episode at the airport tonite.
Love everything about it except for the lack of any explanation for the random monster..(perhaps I missed it)
Jason Isaacs might be the best star trek captain ever. I get the idea he isn't running about with a full deck...which makes him flawed and perfect.
Still think the star ship Discovery is god awful looking.
Love everything about it except for the lack of any explanation for the random monster..(perhaps I missed it)
Jason Isaacs might be the best star trek captain ever. I get the idea he isn't running about with a full deck...which makes him flawed and perfect.
Still think the star ship Discovery is god awful looking.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:23 am to asurob1
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Jason Isaacs might be the best star trek captain ever.
The guy has a fricking Gorn skeleton in his office. I know it's a science vessel, but frick. Could you imagine some alien race meeting with him and he's got a dead alien hanging there?
From the previews it looks like the random monster is explained some in the next episode.
The entire science vs military vs monster in the dark thing had me thinking of Howard Hawk's original "The Thing".
This show rocks.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:28 am to TigerMyth36
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Also changing the Klingons again makes no real sense.
I'm not watching this show yet (and maybe not ever), but this isn't a flaw - it's canon, now. Both DS9 and Enterprise (albeit in very different ways) have established in canon that TOS era Klingons were radically different than either the pre-Augment virus Klingons or the late TOS Star Trek III Klingons onward.
Roddenberry intended Klingons to be radically different from humans from the beginning, but just didn't have the budget (recall how much Vulcan/Romulan ears cost - for Balance of Terror - they could only afford to do 3 guys - Spock, the Romulan Captain and Centurian - imagine how much all that apparatus would have set them back during TOS when they were struggling to make budget?).
Instead of just leaving it there - the writers after TNG tried to explain the differences, so we have what we have. Certainly Discovery is between Enterprise and TOS - so, by canon, they would need to be very TOS-like in appearance.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:31 am to Fewer Kilometers
Really enjoying this show so far
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:20 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The guy has a fricking Gorn skeleton in his office. I know it's a science vessel, but frick. Could you imagine some alien race meeting with him and he's got a dead alien hanging there?
Yeah I thought that was awesome.
Again, they are showing that this guy may be not all there...then again he did just break out a convicted criminal and add her to his crew telling her...meh frick star fleet.
Love it.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:21 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm not watching this show yet (and maybe not ever),
You should give it a shot.
It's not our father's star trek for sure and it's got a few flaws but the characters will grab you.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:43 pm to asurob1
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You should give it a shot.
I was getting ready to - the SJW stuff was a little alarming, then they took a knee.
You can say I was looking for a reason not to watch it, but I just don't need this political shite intruding into my screen entertainment. At some point, I just ignore it (Joss Whedon and Sean Penn get passes from me, for some reason, Jane Fonda doesn't - is that arbitrary?) - but right now - leaning "pass."
Ironically, this may push me towards watching that fancy new Battlestar Galactica I hear so much about on this board.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:57 pm to Revan11
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I think they have left it open to which timeline they are in because the events in the JJ Abrahams movie is set 2 years from where discovery is now.
It's been confirmed by one of the executive producers that Discovery takes place in the prime timeline and not the JJ Abram's Kelvin timeline.
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