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re: Jay Leno's Farewell
Posted on 2/6/14 at 6:46 am to The Boat
Posted on 2/6/14 at 6:46 am to The Boat
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Meh. Craig Ferguson is the best guy on TV.
Craig Ferguson is a great comedic talent unfortunately stuck in a time slot that 90% of the viewing public have never seen. Hope he gets a chance to replace Letterman one day. Funny as hell and his guests truly ENJOY being in his company.
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:04 am to charlieg14
The de-evolution continues.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:18 am to Thunder Tiger
When Carson retired 22 years ago, it was all anyone could talk about. It was basically wall-to-wall coverage. His final two shows were legendary.
Compare that to Leno's exit. While his "retirement" a few years ago probably plays a role in this, but Leno's exit tonight is kind of an afterthought.
Amazing how things have changed in two decades.
Compare that to Leno's exit. While his "retirement" a few years ago probably plays a role in this, but Leno's exit tonight is kind of an afterthought.
Amazing how things have changed in two decades.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:30 am to BamaDude06
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So the real question is why did NBC force Jay out in the first place. Did Conan tell them he was leaving unless given the Tonight Show? If so, he got what he deserved. If he didn't make the demand, NBC is the one that really screwed up.
Conan received $33 million from NBC to leave. Where do I sign up for that kind of job?
So you ask yourself a question, then answer it in the most slanted way possible to say something bad about Conan. Then hang up your cleats and not look for any answers?
Where do I sign up for that kind of intellectual honesty? NBC tried to have its cake and eat it too. So you're telling me that if another network came to Conan and said, "We want you in our 10:30 slot, that Conan shouldn't listen? Of course he should.
And of course Conan wanted the Tonight Show, he had been grooming for that for years. That was the whole point of running a show and garnering an audience in the later slot. Not to mention that's how late night TV talk shows have worked. So it makes sense, not in some nefarious way, that if NBC wasn't going to give him the 10:30 slot that, if he were popular, he'd probably end up somewhere else. That's called a promotion.
Not to mention the bad Leno stories that have crept up over time, obviously from DL, but others as well.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 7:33 am
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:50 am to Freauxzen
Who the hell stays up that late every night to watch this? Do people not have jobs to get up for in the morning?
I always assumed the only people watching late night shows are old people that don't have kids in their house anymore.
If you aren't asleep b/c you have a job the next morning, i would think you could find something better to do than watch a late night show of crap, Leno, Letterman, Fallon, Conan, etc., like studying, watching anything else, having sex, looking for someone to have sex, getting drunk, etc.
I always assumed the only people watching late night shows are old people that don't have kids in their house anymore.
If you aren't asleep b/c you have a job the next morning, i would think you could find something better to do than watch a late night show of crap, Leno, Letterman, Fallon, Conan, etc., like studying, watching anything else, having sex, looking for someone to have sex, getting drunk, etc.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:57 am to TeddyPadillac
I will not miss Leno and am very excited about Fallon taking over.
I wasn't a big fan of Fallon's show at first but it really grew on me. His show is really creative and consistently entertaining. I can think of numerous skits that have gone viral from Fallon's show.
I don't mean to compare Fallon to Carson but Fallon is a very likable guy in my opinion (which is how everyone viewed Carson). I've never felt that way about Leno.
I wasn't a big fan of Fallon's show at first but it really grew on me. His show is really creative and consistently entertaining. I can think of numerous skits that have gone viral from Fallon's show.
I don't mean to compare Fallon to Carson but Fallon is a very likable guy in my opinion (which is how everyone viewed Carson). I've never felt that way about Leno.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:08 am to Alahunter
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Kimmel will be the only decent host left now. Leno was better than conan, fallon and everyone is better than letterman. Ferguson isnt bad.
Craig Ferguson is the best by far...but he doesn't do the kind of interviews entertainment people need out of a host to promote their crap. But as far as plain entertaining, yeah...he's better I think.
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:16 am to GeauxTigerTM
That's what all late night talk shows are now: one hour long infomercials about a celebritard's latest album/tv show/movie or book.
Or Obama to push his agenda unchallenged, to a sniveling, fawning sycophant host.
Or Obama to push his agenda unchallenged, to a sniveling, fawning sycophant host.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:23 am to White Shadeaux
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That's what all late night talk shows are now: one hour long infomercials about a celebritard's latest album/tv show/movie or book.
Which is why Ferguson's show stands out. He'll mention whatever it is they came for, but essentially he just fricks around with them. He doesn't even really show real movie clips...most of the time it'll be something stupid from the movie that makes no sense.
For actors that have been there before and are quick, it's really fun. For others who are expecting the same kind of lazy arse questions about their project, it can be awkward but sill fun watching them wonder what the hell is happening.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 9:36 am to BunkieWrench
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Wanna know how I know you've seen Fallon less then 3 times?
I'd say Fallon is right behind him. In terms of creativity, I'd say those two are clearly at the top.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 9:48 am to GeauxTigerTM
I don't always watch late night, but when I do... it's Craig Ferguson. He's the closest guy there is to 1980s David Letterman, who I will admit just about all suburban white kids of my generation worship as a comedy god. He's really our first exposure to "alternative comedy". He was the gateway drug, and even though his show is now running on fumes, he has a lifetime pass.
I do object that Leno was ever funny. He's always been a guy who overly sold punched up jokes aimed squarely at the middle. In his defense, that's what standup WAS back in the day, he's a hard working pro. He's a Vaudeville comic in an era in which the Catskills clubs have long since closed. He's a throwback to an era I don't much remember and is little beloved by the cool kids. Leno is, and always has been, painfully uncool. But he worked hard, built an audience, and paid his dues. Old people and middle America love the guy because they ARE nostalgic for that era before all those wierdos took over late night.
I don't hate Leno. I don't think he's funny, but he is a hard-working pro. The game changed on him, and that does seem unfair. I don't think he's the monster Team Coco portrays him as, I think he's a guy who worked hard for this job and then felt like it was being unfairly taken away. But man, Bill Hicks was right, he is a corporate shill to the bitter end
I do object that Leno was ever funny. He's always been a guy who overly sold punched up jokes aimed squarely at the middle. In his defense, that's what standup WAS back in the day, he's a hard working pro. He's a Vaudeville comic in an era in which the Catskills clubs have long since closed. He's a throwback to an era I don't much remember and is little beloved by the cool kids. Leno is, and always has been, painfully uncool. But he worked hard, built an audience, and paid his dues. Old people and middle America love the guy because they ARE nostalgic for that era before all those wierdos took over late night.
I don't hate Leno. I don't think he's funny, but he is a hard-working pro. The game changed on him, and that does seem unfair. I don't think he's the monster Team Coco portrays him as, I think he's a guy who worked hard for this job and then felt like it was being unfairly taken away. But man, Bill Hicks was right, he is a corporate shill to the bitter end
Posted on 2/6/14 at 9:56 am to Baloo
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I don't always watch late night, but when I do... it's Craig Ferguson. He's the closest guy there is to 1980s David Letterman, who I will admit just about all suburban white kids of my generation worship as a comedy god. He's really our first exposure to "alternative comedy". He was the gateway drug, and even though his show is now running on fumes, he has a lifetime pass.
I do object that Leno was ever funny. He's always been a guy who overly sold punched up jokes aimed squarely at the middle. In his defense, that's what standup WAS back in the day, he's a hard working pro. He's a Vaudeville comic in an era in which the Catskills clubs have long since closed. He's a throwback to an era I don't much remember and is little beloved by the cool kids. Leno is, and always has been, painfully uncool. But he worked hard, built an audience, and paid his dues. Old people and middle America love the guy because they ARE nostalgic for that era before all those wierdos took over late night.
Well said. I think Leno gets by on familiarity more than anything else, and that made the Conan situation much more complicated.
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I don't think he's the monster Team Coco portrays him as, I think he's a guy who worked hard for this job and then felt like it was being unfairly taken away.
Probably. It's mostly NBC's fault and I think people know that deep down. Leno gets the hate for taking the slot before, and for everything Letterman said over the years. This:
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1980s David Letterman, who I will admit just about all suburban white kids of my generation worship as a comedy god.
Is true and makes them more aggressive to Leno. Because:
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Bill Hicks was right, he is a corporate shill to the bitter end
He came out on top both times. Well played? Probably. But people are going to hate him for being, well, damn good at keeping his position. Throw in the idea that younger generations just don't connect to his comedy and it all makes sense.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:00 am to FairhopeTider
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Amazing how things have changed in two decades.
you're right.
I bet nobody thought Jay would be an even bigger a-hole now than he was back in the day.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:02 am to Freauxzen
Letterman probably would've had a better Tonight Show over the last few years, but you can tell that Dave has become bitter. He just phones it in now.
Leno gets some of the hate because his agent helped push Johnny out and in that first show, he never thanked or acknowledged Carson.
Conan was giving an unfair shot and his last week of The Tonight Show was some of the funniest late night in years. That said, I lost a little respect for Conan after I watched that behind the scenes movie about his comedy tour.
Leno gets some of the hate because his agent helped push Johnny out and in that first show, he never thanked or acknowledged Carson.
Conan was giving an unfair shot and his last week of The Tonight Show was some of the funniest late night in years. That said, I lost a little respect for Conan after I watched that behind the scenes movie about his comedy tour.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:30 am to FairhopeTider
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That said, I lost a little respect for Conan after I watched that behind the scenes movie about his comedy tour.
What happened?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:43 am to Dr RC
IMO Fallon is the best. Followed by Kimmel. I wonder how Meyers will do.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:45 am to FairhopeTider
quote:why?
, I lost a little respect for Conan after I watched that behind the scenes movie about his comedy tour.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:48 am to Thunder Tiger
frick Leno.
I do like Fallon though and think he will do a great job.
I do like Fallon though and think he will do a great job.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:52 am to Master of Sinanju
He just came across as whiney and a bit of an arse at times. It showed him privately complaining about having to see fans and such after shows. I know that most celebs are like that but still doesn't make it easier. I was on Team CoCo but in the end, its hard to feel sorry for a guy who basically got enough money that his grandchildren are set.
Of course I still like Conan. Hell, Carson was known as one of the biggest assholes in the country when he hosted the Tonight Show, yet he'll go down as one of the most beloved figures in American History.
Of course I still like Conan. Hell, Carson was known as one of the biggest assholes in the country when he hosted the Tonight Show, yet he'll go down as one of the most beloved figures in American History.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:53 am to White Shadeaux
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That's what all late night talk shows are now: one hour long infomercials about a celebritard's latest album/tv show/movie or book.
Or Obama to push his agenda unchallenged, to a sniveling, fawning sycophant host.
thats all talk shows have EVER been for mayne
they aint bringin on peeps who gots nuthin to shill
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 10:54 am
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