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re: Game of Thrones S5:E7:"The Gift", HODORS ONLY(No Book Readers)
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:58 am to TOKEN
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:58 am to TOKEN
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If Tommlen and Margary both died then who takes the throne?
If they die then it's likely that whoever is responsible for their death will take the throne. Viserys Targaryean didn't take the throne when the Mad King was killed.
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:03 am to HailToTheChiz
quote:Alright. Wasn't sure if that was all just deception or not. fricking Theon.
They tried to be cute. But you see theon walking across the courtyard and he looks at the tower. Then there is a shot from the tower window showing theon walking across.
I'm pretty sure he went to Ramseys room
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:08 am to Stonehog
Sparrow BS is not real?
Remember the Templars? Independent power outside of the King and supposedly governed by God.
Remember what happened to them? There was a reason for it.
Or look at how Imans command the streets over in the Middle East today.
They have always been there among the people. Its not as if this is a new religion that arose out of nowhere. The only difference is it regained the power it once had. The people were already a part of it.
Remember the Templars? Independent power outside of the King and supposedly governed by God.
Remember what happened to them? There was a reason for it.
Or look at how Imans command the streets over in the Middle East today.
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even if you want to call opposition a sin, they haven't had enough time to establish their place in the hearts and minds of the people to have any sort of impact. the people have been living in "sin" for centuries now. they're not going to change to accommodate this radical religious leader in a month. when the targs banned them, the opposite was true. society had been built around, and expected, pious behavior in the name of the 7.
They have always been there among the people. Its not as if this is a new religion that arose out of nowhere. The only difference is it regained the power it once had. The people were already a part of it.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 10:11 am
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:11 am to Epic Cajun
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If they die then it's likely that whoever is responsible for their death will take the throne. Viserys Targaryean didn't take the throne when the Mad King was killed.
I agree
But let's say If LF was able to kill them both he couldn't mount a coup because he has no real army. The Lannister's/ Barratians still have a daughter/ bloodline/ succession with one more daughter. It's why I am not ruling out the Martels quite yet. There is a story to be played out with the youngest daughter IMO. King Tommlen's days could be numbered with his whore of a mother facing death.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:15 am to TOKEN
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But let's say If LF was able to kill them both he couldn't mount a coup because he has no real army.
he has the knights of the vale and the tyrell army, for starters. i doubt it would take much work to convince some other houses to attack the lannister legacy (say dorne, for instance). if he could buy off old man frey, i bet he gets riverrun's army, too.
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There is a story to be played out with the youngest daughter IMO. King Tommlen's days could be numbered with his whore of a mother facing death.
well the prophecy that basically started this season predicted cercei would see her children die, so i wouldn't hold onto that hope
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:49 am to prplhze2000
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They have always been there among the people.
not in the show
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. Its not as if this is a new religion that arose out of nowhere.
religions change and the religion of the 7 has never been shown to require that level of pious behavior until this season
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The people were already a part of it.
not as far as the show is concerned. which scenes establish this theme? hell the only scenes of pious behavior or legitimate worship seem to be those who worship other gods (the red god, the old gods, the drowned god, the faceless god, etc)
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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not as far as the show is concerned. which scenes establish this theme? hell the only scenes of pious behavior or legitimate worship seem to be those who worship other gods (the red god, the old gods, the drowned god, the faceless god, etc)
That's the point. The faith is made up of people that are pissed at how people are acting under the faith of the 7. That's why it's such an over zealous campaign by the high sparrow.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:55 am to wildtigercat93
i get that
but you don't just go from 0 to a hundred in the blink of an eye. that sort of a movement takes a lot of time to muster real support
that's why i don't see how killing them would really change much. based on what we've been shown, they can't possibly have much support
i take it back. there was one scene with the hound and arya where a commoner family was worshiping. so one scene in the show (nowhere near KL, though)
but you don't just go from 0 to a hundred in the blink of an eye. that sort of a movement takes a lot of time to muster real support
that's why i don't see how killing them would really change much. based on what we've been shown, they can't possibly have much support
i take it back. there was one scene with the hound and arya where a commoner family was worshiping. so one scene in the show (nowhere near KL, though)
Posted on 5/25/15 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
How much time do we see at all with the commoners?
Would you want to spend episodes focused on commoners? I doubt you would
Our only perspective throughout the show, is through noble men and women. It's actually a nice view because you look back in history and you think "how did they not see this coming" whenever a revolt happened, and now you see how, because they don't even think of the commoners most of the time.
Sure they probably could've thrown in a storyline over the past couple seasons about a common family that is angry at the noble transgressions but people would be losing their shite. You think Dany is boring? Watching dirty people complain about clean people is even worse
Would you want to spend episodes focused on commoners? I doubt you would
Our only perspective throughout the show, is through noble men and women. It's actually a nice view because you look back in history and you think "how did they not see this coming" whenever a revolt happened, and now you see how, because they don't even think of the commoners most of the time.
Sure they probably could've thrown in a storyline over the past couple seasons about a common family that is angry at the noble transgressions but people would be losing their shite. You think Dany is boring? Watching dirty people complain about clean people is even worse
Posted on 5/25/15 at 11:14 am to LuckySo-n-So
I was more pleased with cersi getting thrown in the shite pit than I was jeoffry's death.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 11:39 am to RBWilliams8
Lena Heady is truly underrated. She does such a good job of that part
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:14 pm to Macintosh504
I think this is one of the better seasons
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:15 pm to NeverRains
Lena Headey is terrific. I'm torn. frick that bitch Cersei but the show will take a major hit if a character like Her gets the axe.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:55 pm to Macintosh504
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I think this is one of the better seasons
I've been enjoying it. My buddy also told me this season would be more political back stabbing and not as much in the face sword stabbing. I've liked the chess matches. Not every season can be as action packed as last season
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:59 pm to Epic Cajun
ive loved this season. is it my favorite? no
but just like season 2 I bet I will go back and watch it before next season and it will be better and appreciated more
remember, a bad GoT episode is still better than 99.9% of TV on today.
people need to chill out, its not going to be the red wedding every effin week. I love all the pieces moving this season
but just like season 2 I bet I will go back and watch it before next season and it will be better and appreciated more
remember, a bad GoT episode is still better than 99.9% of TV on today.
people need to chill out, its not going to be the red wedding every effin week. I love all the pieces moving this season
Posted on 5/25/15 at 1:31 pm to dallastiger55
Honestly, I'm just glad Cersai's plan with the Sparrow's has finally backfired.
I loved her useless proclamation of "I'm the queen, I'm the queen" as she was getting hauled off.
Oh and dorne jail scene made me like the sand snakes for however brief a moment haha.
I loved her useless proclamation of "I'm the queen, I'm the queen" as she was getting hauled off.
Oh and dorne jail scene made me like the sand snakes for however brief a moment haha.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:18 pm to freeagent
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I'm just glad Cersai's plan with the Sparrow's has finally backfired.
Didn't take much to see that coming; stupid, desperate move....Ollena said it best when she said she respected Tywin, he was no fool. Cersei was so desperate to try to separate Margaery and Tommen she couldn't see she was opening herself up to the same "justice". Gonna be interesting to see what Tommen does now and who will advise him.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:22 pm to freeagent
People keep talking about how Tommen will react, but he may not get a chance to depending on exactly how this shakes out.
Did Lancel tell the Sparrow that he'd fricked Cersei, or did he tell him that Jaime did? Or both? If he told the Sparrow about Jaime, then the rumors that Tommen isn't legitimate are proven.
He's immediately not King, only a Lannister, and every Lannister is someone's prisoner. Jaime is in custody of the Martells, Cersei is in the dungeon of the Sept, Tyrion is held by Daenerys. The only people who could support Tommen are the Martells, because they need him and Myrcella to be legitimate and they're super far away.
Seriously, the next episode could be a massive explosion.
Did Lancel tell the Sparrow that he'd fricked Cersei, or did he tell him that Jaime did? Or both? If he told the Sparrow about Jaime, then the rumors that Tommen isn't legitimate are proven.
He's immediately not King, only a Lannister, and every Lannister is someone's prisoner. Jaime is in custody of the Martells, Cersei is in the dungeon of the Sept, Tyrion is held by Daenerys. The only people who could support Tommen are the Martells, because they need him and Myrcella to be legitimate and they're super far away.
Seriously, the next episode could be a massive explosion.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:49 pm to FT
I think LF could sink his claws into Tommen, either that or Tommen calls on uncle Kevan to fix things.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:53 pm to fargobison
Right, but that won't matter if he's not king. If the Sparrow finds Cersei guilty of incest, then Tommen has no claim. If that happened, Stannis would be king by inheritance from Robert, and then he'd swing in with his new god and have chaos with the Sept.
shite's cray.
shite's cray.
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