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re: Fargo Season 3 Thread
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
No way this finale was better than season 1.
Where have we seen the deaf guy before?
Where have we seen the deaf guy before?
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:24 pm to dallastiger55
Mr. Wrench was in Season 1
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:26 pm to dallastiger55
quote:I thought Season 1 really had a weak second half.
No way this finale was better than season 1.
quote:I watch these things so fast that I didn't realize it until I went back and checked. He's one of the 2 hitmen from Season 1 tasked with finding Malvo. The pair then show up again at the very end of Season 2 when the Indian interrupts the fight on the baseball diamond between the teenagers and the little kids. It's implied that the little kids are the 2 future hitmen, and I guess the Indian takes them under his wing and trains them as assassins. Actually, pretty cool easter egg.
Where have we seen the deaf guy before?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
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the relevance of the 1st scene (East Germany)
It was an innocent man that the State assumed was Yuri Gurka being charged with a murder of Helga Albrecht. Yuri was almost certainly the same Yuri who was a henchman for Varga and Helga Albrecht was one of the victims of the massacre of the Jewish settlement, so apparently it wasn't the first time that Yuri killed Helga. The mystery man in the bowling alley sends Yuri to hell/back to Helga and the village for revenge.
The scene is also very Kafkaesque, the innocent man is trapped in a system where nothing makes sense. So the scene sets the tone for the whole season. And the Stasi officer mirrors Gloria's boss.
I agree that the text likely came from "inside", the corrupt bureaucrats of the world look out for each other and it's the world that Varga lives for (and this goes back to the first scene). And yes, I think Varga walks. It's a very No Country ending and Gloria was the Season 3 Sheriff Bell. She felt overmatched, even quit, and in the end evil probably wins (for now).
Season 3 of Fargo made me think more than any season of any series ever has. It wasn't perfect but it was damn interesting. Nikki shooting a cop - that one I haven't reconciled yet. Maybe a caution against vigilante justice. But I really wanted her to win in the end. But I guess that wan't going to happen with this season's themes.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:15 pm to Tigris
quote:How old is 2010 Yuri supposed to be. Older than, say, 40?
It was an innocent man that the State assumed was Yuri Gurka being charged with a murder of Helga Albrecht. Yuri was almost certainly the same Yuri who was a henchman for Varga and Helga Albrecht was one of the victims of the massacre of the Jewish settlement, so apparently it wasn't the first time that Yuri killed Helga. The mystery man in the bowling alley sends Yuri to hell/back to Helga and the village for revenge.
quote:Good read.
The scene is also very Kafkaesque, the innocent man is trapped in a system where nothing makes sense. So the scene sets the tone for the whole season. And the Stasi officer mirrors Gloria's boss.
quote:Agreed on all. I kept thinking of No Country while watching. This is trite, but it's at least a little less grim given the fact that most of those destroyed were criminals already. (i.e. less preying on utterly defenseless and/or unrelated people.)
I agree that the text likely came from "inside", the corrupt bureaucrats of the world look out for each other and it's the world that Varga lives for (and this goes back to the first scene). And yes, I think Varga walks. It's a very No Country ending and Gloria was the Season 3 Sheriff Bell. She felt overmatched, even quit, and in the end evil probably wins (for now).
quote:I'm still confused - if already sent to purgatory or whatever, then how is she around for this shooting?
Nikki shooting a cop - that one I haven't reconciled yet.
quote:I really liked her character because it was the rare (unprecedented?) flawed quasi-protagonist. We're used to feeling comfortable pulling for Walter White, but much less so for Skyler. Swango represents a powerful, layered, flawed female. No doubt, the main reason you "wanted her to win" was because her love for Ray was proven to have been pure and not a scam.
But I really wanted her to win in the end.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
One nit (not to be that guy): I know it's somewhat irrelevant what the details are regarding Varga's scheme to use Stussy Parking for his evil ends, but when the IRS guy says "bleeding a company" isn't illegal, it's just preposterous. It would seem the very scheme was to use the corporate entity to borrow funds which were placed directly in the C-suite's pocket - that almost certainly constitutes massive borrower fraud, as it seems unlikely that $200M+ of loans were made with loan docs not specifying a designated use of proceeds.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
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How old is 2010 Yuri supposed to be. Older than, say, 40?
Yeah, he has to be in his early 40's, at least, which he didn't look. So maybe the Yuri in the show is yet another incarnation.
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I'm still confused - if already sent to purgatory or whatever, then how is she around for this shooting?
I'm really not sure how purgatory/limbo work in Fargo. But I still don't think she was a normal mortal anymore. She was able to know and do more than anybody could. And bowling alley guy definitely isn't mortal and he interacts with the physical world. I think ultimately Nikki was too flawed and failed in her mission. And Mr. Wrench who was the backup selected by bowling alley guy worked out since he was less flawed.
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Swango represents a powerful, layered, flawed female. No doubt, the main reason you "wanted her to win" was because her love for Ray was proven to have been pure and not a scam.
That's a good read. Pure vengeance makes for powerful cinema. And Fargo 3 wasn't going there any more than Old Country did, at least for Nikki.
It's also interesting that Emmett was the target of vengeance rather than Varga. I think it's because Emmett's weakness is what opened the door for Varga. Evil is always out there and can't be erradicated (i.e. Chigurh). And that's why I think Varga walks out.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:31 pm to Big Scrub TX
The scene with Nikki shooting the cop was a throwback to the movie. Even used music from the movie in that scene.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:58 pm to Tigris
quote:A related shade of NCFOM is in the offhand nature of the deaths. Yeah, Nikki was this incredible, bad-arse, femme-fatale with a righteous motivation and...bled out in the most mundane location possible with nobody to mourn her.
That's a good read. Pure vengeance makes for powerful cinema. And Fargo 3 wasn't going there any more than Old Country did, at least for Nikki.
quote:Well, it's related to what you said - due to her quasi-post-life status, she "knew" the truth about Emmet's role in Ray's death. Her theme all along had been the one brother taking what was rightfully the other brother's. Early on, the audience was invited to read that as garden-variety, scam artist psychology on someone blinded by her physicality. Turns out, it was legit. Another question: I feel like Sy has been let out of a lot of the analysis. What's your take? Are we to possibly think that he actually became at least indifferent to the scheme once it was revealed that he was massively personally benefiting? Or was he the most pure of all of them (even his petty actions with the Corvette smashing were seemingly derived from almost comically pure devotion to his boss.) I wonder how much this season is a meditation on Jewishness? You had Marrane as the "wandering Jew" trope and you had Sy upending negative stereotypes of Jewishness (instead of being money-grubbing at any cost, he was arguably the lone moral voice.)
It's also interesting that Emmett was the target of vengeance rather than Varga.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I feel like Sy has been let out of a lot of the analysis. What's your take? Are we to possibly think that he actually became at least indifferent to the scheme once it was revealed that he was massively personally benefiting? Or was he the most pure of all of them (even his petty actions with the Corvette smashing were seemingly derived from almost comically pure devotion to his boss.) I wonder how much this season is a meditation on Jewishness? You had Marrane as the "wandering Jew" trope and you had Sy upending negative stereotypes of Jewishness (instead of being money-grubbing at any cost, he was arguably the lone moral voice.)
I haven't given Sy much thought at all but yeah - "I wonder how much this season is a meditation on Jewishness?" - probably a lot. The actor playing Sy was a right hand man in the Fargo movie and the lead in A Serious Man, and he made a transition from the first role to the second in Fargo 3. One of the last things Sy says is “The world. The world is wrong. It looks like my world, but everything’s different.” Which sums up A Serious Man pretty well. And it's the Coen movie I connected with least. And a lot of what is going on with what Marrane says is Jewish culture related and I couldn't follow.
One thing I thought was interesting in the finale was Emmit having the stamp stuck to his forehead in the same spot where Nikki was shot. And it looked like there was blood under the stamp though maybe I didn't see that right. But the allusion was clear in any case. The desire for the stamps is what brought Emmit's life crashing down, even if he wouldn't be dead for a few more years. So what brought Nikki down? Hatred? Maybe.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:30 pm to Tigris
a season of interrogation rooms, starting with the East German scene and ending in the DHS facilities
Fargo Creator Goes Inside Season 3 Finale
Season 3 : another explanation version
Fargo Creator Goes Inside Season 3 Finale
Season 3 : another explanation version
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:34 pm to Tigris
Incredible ending to the season. Can't wait to rewatch the season.
This last episode reminded me of No Country. The speech Varga gave to Gloria was like the Uncle Ellis speech. You can't stop what's coming.
This last episode reminded me of No Country. The speech Varga gave to Gloria was like the Uncle Ellis speech. You can't stop what's coming.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:43 pm to Nodust
And they better make another season.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:57 pm to 3Son
Wow....didn't catch the irony from this scene: Mr Wrench separating Yuri from his left ear with a Hail Mary hatchet toss into some trees
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:37 am to Tigris
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Mr Wrench has been given a chance to redeem himself.
I know that you posted this before the finale, but:
if Wrench was given a chance to redeem himself, I think he failed. Emmit was the closest to innocent main character on the show, and Wrench murdered him. Of course, Nikki almost certainly planted a seed in his head that Emmit was an awful guy that "murdered" her fiance, but he still fricked up.
Like you said, this season definitely had an "A Serious Man" feel to it. IIRC, the film even started off with a mysterious scene from the past featuring characters that wouldn't show up again.
I get your purgatory theory, and like it, but I have some doubts. Paul Marrane is obviously some sort of spirit given that bowling alley scene, but he also interacted with a very living Gloria in LA.
As for season rankings, I'll have to give this one a rewatch before I know for sure, but I'll go:
1
2
decent drop
3
Not ragging on S3, it was very good, but S1 and S2 had it on track to potentially be the best show ever if they kept it up for another 2 or 3 seasons. And I'm surprised by how many people rank S1 behind this most recent one.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:42 am to Big Scrub TX
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No doubt, the main reason you "wanted her to win" was because her love for Ray was proven to have been pure and not a scam.
I don't know. I still feel like she was going to leave Ray after getting the blackmail money from Sy, since she lied to Ray about how much she was asking for and didn't tell him that she was going to meet him. I think she felt guilty after Ray took care of her after she was almost beaten to death, only to die trying to help them both get away with what little money they had.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:57 am to SUB
This was actually my favorite of the three seasons. Not sure how I feel about the ending, but I read the interview with the creator and I see what he was trying to do.
Probably a dumb question, but is it really a true story? I searched a little bit to see if I could find the real names and/or story. If so, would like to know what actually know what happened to Varga (if the events actually played out like that).
Probably a dumb question, but is it really a true story? I searched a little bit to see if I could find the real names and/or story. If so, would like to know what actually know what happened to Varga (if the events actually played out like that).
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:34 am to sweetwaterbilly
No they aren't true stories
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:44 am to Byron Bojangles III
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No they aren't true stories
IMO... I think this is a play on words... In other words, its not saying, "This story is based upon actual events... " Rather it is saying; "Its true, this is only a story.. "
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:10 pm to klrstix
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Rather it is saying; "Its true, this is only a story.. "
True....I mean, in the early credits they fade out "true" to confirm your explanation
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