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re: The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story series long thread

Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:42 pm to
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:42 pm to
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For the record, I'm one of the few people that thought he didn’t do it. I believe the story about his son doing it and he tried/succeeded in the cover up.


Do you still believe that?
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 5:52 pm to
I don't know. I think OJ is scum and I'm glad he got so much time for stealing his own stuff but there were a few things that still don't add up.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 5:59 pm to
Alan Dershowitz (??) a defense consultant was on M.Kelly last nite & he said that he was surprised that 2 things came out in the show that had never been put out for public consumption before: 1) OJ failed a lie detector test & 2) he did try & commit suicide. He also said that the so called Dream Team was a nightmare, as every atty was out for him/herself & could have cared less about OJ as a person. He would not address guilt or innocence, saying no defense atty ever would, but he did say the prosecution team was horrible. Said that when the prosecurtors had OJ try the gloves on in front of the jury, without testing the fit first, it saved the defense from having OJ testify & basically won their case for them. He also said that the prosecutors knew of the tapes of Furman's racist comments previously in his career but chose to down play their importance.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 6:54 pm to
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I don't know. I think OJ is scum and I'm glad he got so much time for stealing his own stuff but there were a few things that still don't add up.



Like what? He told Nicole that he would murder her and get away with it, beat the dog shite out of her, and she called 911 fearing for her life on 8 occasions from OJ. He was clearly at the scene of the crime and he had the motive. What doesn't add up?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 6:56 pm to
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He also said that the so called Dream Team was a nightmare, as every atty was out for him/herself & could have cared less about OJ as a person.


Oh yeah, every person in that room despised one another, and multiple members of the team said they'd refuse to work with anyone in that room again the literal day of the verdict.
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 7:33 pm to
So, the limo drive says the bronco wasn't parked when he got there but as he stood near the hood of the limo 15 yards from the corner oj apparently passed him, without being seen, got out of the bronco, near the front of the compound, walked the long block to the back, went through the neighbors property, jumped the fence, making a lot of racket, dropped the glove, went to his back door, forgot where they kept the spare key, turned around, went back they way he came, to the bronco for his key, jumped the fence at the front of the property, 20 yards from the limo driver, still unseen, and then crossed his front yard, at which point the limo driver saw someone, matching OJ's description going up to the door.

Sorry, that didn't make sense. However, if OJ'S son did it, crossed the fence in the back, dropped the glove, which did NOT fit on OJ'S hand, went through the yard to the front, where he was seen by the limo driver, went in for his dad to help him, which delayed oj leaving, as he was packed and ready to do. Keeping the limo driver waiting for another 30 or so minutes from when he saw the figure in the yard.

I did not have or contemplate the son theory back then, and I haven't looked into it hard or thought much about it but it makes sense.

At the time, I thought OJ knew who did it or maybe even had it done but I did not believe he did it himself.

I'm glad he's rotting in jail and I have no sympathy, I just saw gapping holes in the case.
Posted by LSUFreek
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 7:51 pm to
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I did not have or contemplate the son theory back then, and I haven't looked into it hard or thought much about it but it makes sense.

At the time, I thought OJ knew who did it or maybe even had it done but I did not believe he did it himself.


I watched a documentary on YouTube about the son doing it, and it suggested it may have even been a two man job, both OJ and the son.

Having both involved would explain the smaller glove pointing to the son, and also would explain OJ's involvement with his cut-knuckle blood above the door of the Bronco handle, and Nicole Simpson blood inside on the Bronco floorboard from OJ's Bruno Magli footprint, along with OJ's droplet blood inside the vehicle, too.


Back to the series, I really enjoyed the first episode. Nice behind-the-scenes insight. As far as Travolta, I just watched the ID channel's two hour documentary that used un-narrated real footage, and watching Shapiro's mouth move looked so familiar. I realized it looks just like Kevin Costner's mouth. Probably would have been a better cast with a dark-hair-dyed Costner, but Travolta is listed in the opening credits as a producer, so we have to deal with the clenched teeth acting. But he isn't so bad otherwise and is in fact, pretty good.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 7:52 pm to
How do you explain the shoes, though? He had the shoes and he wore the shoes of which less than 300 were sold in his size in the whole US. Those shoe prints were all over the crime scene. No way OJ could have gone over to Nicole's after his son showed up to check things out before leaving for the airport.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 7:53 pm to
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So, the limo drive says the bronco wasn't parked when he got there but as he stood near the hood of the limo 15 yards from the corner oj apparently passed him, without being seen, got out of the bronco, near the front of the compound, walked the long block to the back, went through the neighbors property, jumped the fence, making a lot of racket, dropped the glove, went to his back door, forgot where they kept the spare key, turned around, went back they way he came, to the bronco for his key, jumped the fence at the front of the property, 20 yards from the limo driver, still unseen, and then crossed his front yard, at which point the limo driver saw someone, matching OJ's description going up to the door.



A Bronco is not a handsome car. I don't see any reason to assume that he'd make any real note of it if it simply passed him. He may have been staring at OJ's house though waiting on him.

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which did NOT fit on OJ'S hand


That is entirely irrelevant. Leather shrinks when wet and he was wearing a rubber glove which would make it even harder to put on, especially since OJ was most certainly stretching his hands out as much as possible.

He killed her.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 8:05 pm to
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A Bronco is not a handsome car. I don't see any reason to assume that he'd make any real note of it if it simply passed him. He may have been staring at OJ's house though waiting on him.


So why park near the front, close to the limo and walk the long block to the back only to come back to the front?
Posted by MasonTiger
Mason, Ohio
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 8:17 pm to
Terrible casting and terrible acting. Having watched it when it happened, I knew I would be hard to please, but this is just awful. Too bad.
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Posted by wish i was tebow
The Golf Board
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 8:19 pm to
Travolta is killing it. Spinoff show for him IMO
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 6:16 am to
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How do you explain the shoes, though? He had the shoes and he wore the shoes of which less than 300 were sold in his size in the whole US. Those shoe prints were all over the crime scene. No way OJ could have gone over to Nicole's after his son showed up to check things out before leaving for the airport.



Not sure, and don't remember all the details but didn't AC have a pair also, size? Could Jr have had a pair?

The theory on the son was that he was outraged at Nicole, blamed her for the problems between her and OJ, he flipped out, killed her and then called dad.

Did dad come help? Still doesn't quite add up, did he send AC?

It's been a long time, and I don't remember all the details but I'm just saying, at the time, with the case the prosecution presented, I would have voted to acquit.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 7:15 am to
Seriously, do most black people still think he's innocent?

My mom at the time was a teacher at an inner city mostly black high school. She said they played the verdict live in classrooms and it was like every person just won the lottery when it was announced. She said everyone ran into the hallways and started partying and screaming "we won". Also students were coming up to the white faculty and screaming racists things at them, Etc.

She said she can't watch the series because it brings up those bad memories. OJ was a POS wife beater. Rot in hell
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 7:16 am
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 7:27 am to
You think I'm black, lol.

Did you know OJ hired a lawyer to represent Jason before he hired his own lawyers?

Did you know that someone other than OJ'S blood, hair and skin was found at the crime scene?
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 7:29 am to
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OJ was a POS wife beater. Rot in hell



Oh, and I completely agree with this.
Posted by HaveMercy
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:27 am to
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Seriously, do most black people still think he's innocent? My mom at the time was a teacher at an inner city mostly black high school. She said they played the verdict live in classrooms and it was like every person just won the lottery when it was announced. She said everyone ran into the hallways and started partying and screaming "we won". Also students were coming up to the white faculty and screaming racists things at them, Etc.


I too was a teacher at the time; my school was approximately 50/50 black/white. I will never forget standing in front of my class watching my students' reaction to the verdict: the black students (and teachers) acted in a similar fashion as your mother described and the white kids just sat there, stunned and silent. it was an epiphany for me; when push comes to shove it's black vs white. It was my first year teaching and when that verdict was read it was as if many of the ideologies I absorbed from a New England education evaporated at that very moment. Sad, really.

I followed Dominick Dunne's coverage of the trial in Vanity Fair. His book on the subject, Another City, Not My Own, is fascinating. I am going to re-read it..
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:36 am to
I don't recall a suggestion that anyone other than OJ had those shoes at all much less in a size 12.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:09 am to
Again, I don't remember all the details so I don't know about the shoes but size 12 is not very big and being that both AC and Jason are similar in build to OJ I'm just suggesting there might be an explanation.

My view at the time was based on the presence of substantial DNA at the crime scene, not belonging to OJ or the victims; the scenario I've already pointed out about the limo driver and of course, the gloves.

I never bought the bs about the glove shrinking. The defense knew the gloves wouldn't fit, probably because they knew who they belonged to.

Even the trace amounts of blood in the bronco. The Killer was clearly drenched in blood, how come the bronco which did not appear to have been cleaned have only a couple of trace smudges but then it's dripping off of him going in the front door?

The killer wasn't in the bronco. BUT the killer did enter the compound behind the guess house and he did enter the front door.

IF OJ'S went to the crime scene it was after the fact and either he got back before the limo driver or before the limo driver got out of his car.

The limo driver saw Jason (emerging from the side/back and cross the front yard and enter the front door) who was likely still there when the detectives started ringing the gate bell, which is why lights were on and the detectives thought someone was home.

OJ hired Jason an attorney before he himself was named a suspect and Jason never cooperated with police and was never interviewed.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:27 am to
The "If I Did it" book says OJ had an unwilling accomplice, pseudonym 'Charlie'
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