re: The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story series long thread

And by the way, Goldman was a black belt and from his hands it was apparent that he put up a fight and landed some pretty vicious blows. (Dude lost obviously but he left some marks)

OJ voluntarily allowed a shirtless examination the next day and had no bruises or signs of struggle other than the cut on his finger, which is troubling but not consistent with the evidence on Goldman's considerably bruised knuckles.

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Well, it's not as damning necessarily as the picture of the shoes because there are a lot more of them but there are pictures of Jason in a hat, with his dog, identical to the one found at the crime scene, which contained human and dog hair, not belonging to oj.

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A lot? There are 300 total that have been made. There were 300 million Americans at the time. Would AC or his son really wear the same damn shoe of the exact same size? Really? The chances of that are literally 1 in a million.

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Also, we don't know if there is or isn't evidence tying Jason to the crime scene because they never tested him. But there is in fact DNA not belonging to OJ or the victims which the prosecution could not explain.

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It was OJ's blood all over the damn place. Where did OJ find the time to get contacted by his son, arrive on the scene, somehow cut himself on the scene of the crime, make it back to his house, get in the limo, and make his flight to Chicago all in the span of 2 hours? As I said, I know a producer who worked closely with OJ and knew him well, and he said that theory is garbage and he clearly killed them.

More&Les

You bring up some valid points that has to make anyone think a little. It may not be as cut and dry as "OJ did it; end of story". However, "not buying" the glove theory is a little ridiculous. It's a fact that leather shrinks when wet. Also, go get a pair of leather gloves that fit, put on rubber gloves under them and let me know if they fit the same. On top of that, the video shows OJ putting the gloves on while stretching out his hands. With that being said, he may of had an accomplice due to DNA at the scene, but those were his gloves. He's still guilty. Someone else just might have gotten away with it as well.

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Tubedog13

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I appreciate that thought and sentiment and maybe I'm wrong, but I have big hands and leather gloves. I've had them get wet and never seen that kind of shrinkage. I don't think they were his and I think the defense knew it going in that's why they made a big show of it. And damn the prosecution for being stupid enough to let them.

And don't get me wrong, I think OJ is horrible and I always thought he knew. I kinda thought he had AC do it back in the day but I also didn't think AC seemed like a killer.

Jason, however, is a certified psycho. Why the police never investigated him is mind boggling.

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Ok, I'm clearly arguing with someone like Beejon. No point in arguing further.

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Not sure who Beejon is, or why you are getting all worked up, I'm telling you my opinion and why I think there are holes in the case. I'm not on some free OJ campaign. I'd actually like to see him and his son, if his DNA matches the crime scene, rightfully prosecuted.

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The theory on the son was that he was outraged at Nicole, blamed her for the problems between her and OJ, he flipped out, killed her and then called dad.

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Wouldn't there have been some kind of phone record? Surely all calls to and from OJ that night were investigated.

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So, the limo drive says the bronco wasn't parked when he got there but as he stood near the hood of the limo 15 yards from the corner oj apparently passed him, without being seen, got out of the bronco, near the front of the compound, walked the long block to the back, went through the neighbors property, jumped the fence, making a lot of racket, dropped the glove, went to his back door, forgot where they kept the spare key, turned around, went back they way he came, to the bronco for his key, jumped the fence at the front of the property, 20 yards from the limo driver, still unseen, and then crossed his front yard, at which point the limo driver saw someone, matching OJ's description going up to the door.

Sorry, that didn't make sense. However, if OJ'S son did it, crossed the fence in the back, dropped the glove, which did NOT fit on OJ'S hand, went through the yard to the front, where he was seen by the limo driver, went in for his dad to help him, which delayed oj leaving, as he was packed and ready to do. Keeping the limo driver waiting for another 30 or so minutes from when he saw the figure in the yard.

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Not sure what doesn't make sense. OJ would not have driven past the limo driver. The limo was around the corner at the Ashford entrance. The Bronco wound up parked at the Rockingham entrance facing toward the limo driver (around the corner), which makes perfect sense considering that was the direction to/from Nicole's house.

The driver had driven right by where the Bronco wound up, twice. First, while reading the addresses painted on the curb trying to find the right house (OJs address was painted right next where the Bronco wound up). Then again, trying to figure out which entrance to use and if anyone was home - he wasn't familiar with the property. It was dark. There was little street lighting. There were trees. The driver, from his car while parked at the Ashford entrance, saw someone enter the house - his field of view was narrow due to the darkness, trees, and being in a vehicle. And he was on the phone at the time. A minute later, OJ finally answered the intercom (about 15 minutes after the first buzz attempt). Five minutes later, OJ emerged from the house.

The limo driver's testimony holds together extraordinarily well. It is almost certain that OJ and the Bronco were not there when the limo arrived around the time of the murders, but appeared a short while later.

Here is a link to his trial testimony transcript: LINK
Here is an analysis of his testimony from a pretty useful website: LINK

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Wait until they get to the DNA testimony. That guy destroyed the prosecution.

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The police opened the door to that destruction by not handling the evidence properly. Barry Scheck massacred them on that, but it wasn't because there was mystery DNA present.

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followed the trial like it was my job.

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So did I. It was fascinating. I think I still have the tapes of the trial somewhere around here. I taped in case I missed anything. I didn't sleep much during that trial. I was glad for the dark days in court.

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I also went into the trial thinking OJ was guilty as hell and his lawyers were the most expensive scum on earth but they destroyed the prosecution and there were, in fact, serious holes in the factual case.

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I went in thinking he was not guilty and while I agree there was plenty of reasonable doubt for the jury to hang their hats on, I thought he was guilty by the time the trial was over. However, I thought the prosecution and the police screwed it up so badly that there was no way the jury would convict. I thought that the entire trial. I still say if they'd had the picture of those shoes, not all of those jurors would have gone with not guilty. Might have been a hung jury. I think there would have been hold outs at the very least.