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re: Dumbledore vs Gandalf the White
Posted on 5/3/11 at 9:57 am to Pectus
Posted on 5/3/11 at 9:57 am to Pectus
Heres the deal, Yes Gandalf the Grey 'lost' that one encounter with Sauromon but as they are both deities they could both out wizard Dumbledore. Just because they don't go around casting spells doesn't mean they aren't powerful enough to do so. They would rape in the world of Rowling.
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 9:57 am to Pectus
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No one has challenged this yet. Until they can, Dumbledore is the more powerful wizard by default.
This reasoning is so fricking stupid. Just because Dumbledore has more Wizards to compete with (note: Mortals), doesn't mean shite. Gandalf and the wizards in Lord of the Rings are more powerful than the Wizards in Harry Potter due to the fact that they are a superior species.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 10:00 am to OMLandshark
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No one has challenged this yet. Until they can, Dumbledore is the more powerful wizard by default.
This reasoning is so fricking stupid. Just because Dumbledore has more Wizards to compete with (note: Mortals), doesn't mean shite. Gandalf and the wizards in Lord of the Rings are more powerful than the Wizards in Harry Potter due to the fact that they are a superior species.
Ok. There we go. Thank you.
type of power these wizards have?
By superior species I hope you meant as compared to wizards in the HP world (and not as compared to humans in LOTR world).
This post was edited on 5/3/11 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/3/11 at 10:21 am to fouldeliverer
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Heres the deal, Yes Gandalf the Grey 'lost' that one encounter with Sauromon but as they are both deities they could both out wizard Dumbledore. Just because they don't go around casting spells doesn't mean they aren't powerful enough to do so. They would rape in the world of Rowling.
Also remember, When Sauroman and Gandalf fought, they were in Orthanc, Sauroman's center of power, and he had set the trap for Gandalf.
I haven't read past the 1st HP book, but based on Dumbledore of the movies, he just can't compare to Gandalf. Hell, Dumbledore is portrayed as clueless to what is happening under his own roof. 3 wet behind the ears children have to solve all the mysteries and fight the world's most evil wizard.
Gandalf takes on a Balrog and wins, even though he dies in the process. He's reborn, leads a world war and faces down the Witch King of Angmar ( in the book he gets the better of them, unlike the movie).
Also, Tolkein's handling of magic is so much better than Rowling's. It's a subtle, ominous, mysterious force, terrible and dangerous, so not often used by it's wielders. As opposed to Rowling's magic which is commonplace, overused, and cast by shouting some form of pidgen latin phrase akin to "HOCUS POCUS".
Posted on 5/3/11 at 10:26 am to TygerTyger
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Also, Tolkein's handling of magic is so much better than Rowling's. It's a subtle, ominous, mysterious force, terrible and dangerous, so not often used by it's wielders
not to deviate too far from the original subject but this is an interesting point, and very true. Gandalf won't even allow himself to touch the ring of power, though he could take it and wield great power the likes of which would turn Dumbledore's bowels to water...
Posted on 5/3/11 at 10:32 am to TygerTyger
quote:Very true.
Also, Tolkein's handling of magic is so much better than Rowling's. It's a subtle, ominous, mysterious force, terrible and dangerous, so not often used by it's wielders. As opposed to Rowling's magic which is commonplace, overused, and cast by shouting some form of pidgen latin phrase akin to "HOCUS POCUS".
Posted on 5/3/11 at 10:47 am to Pectus
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That FB post isn't quite accurate.
Dumbledore doesn't need a wand to do all magic, neither do many wizards.
The best wizard warriors are the ones that can think on their feet and use their enemies' strength against them.
I know I didn't join in the best wizards in Harry Potter debate, and I saw many fail to realize this. What makes you a good wizard is not being powerful, but it's what you do with the power that you have.
Gandalf was too busy getting caught and dying and rescuing people at the last minute to be considered ahead of the game.
Dumbeldore had the foresight to prepare what will come of Hogwarts, Harry, and Voldemort all the while being very educated in all things magic.
Dumbeldore could have beat any wizard in a duel Elder Wand or not. Because he was smart and in tune with magic enough to find a way to win.
This is the best argument I've seen yet. It's a hell of a lot better than "Gandalf is badass!" and "Dumbledore died and Gandalf didn't!" Blargh.
Technically, you can't compare the two because Dumbledore is human and Gandalf isn't...not really. Dumbledore planned his own death and continued to influence an entire war after he left this world. He knew what was to come and literally fashioned its outcome to his liking. He sacrificed himself for the greater good. That being said, in terms of magical ability and influence, I see them as equals. However, Dumbledore does exhibit his abilities a hell of a lot more than Gandalf does. Gandalf uses his power sparingly, but awesomely.
It's a tough call. Gandalf is indeed badass (probably more so than Dumbledore), but in terms of who would win in a fight...well, that'd be Dumbledore. It's not a popularity contest.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 11:22 am to Elwood P Dowd
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 12:02 pm to Elwood P Dowd
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Technically, you can't compare the two because Dumbledore is human and Gandalf isn't...not really. Dumbledore planned his own death and continued to influence an entire war after he left this world. He knew what was to come and literally fashioned its outcome to his liking. He sacrificed himself for the greater good. That being said, in terms of magical ability and influence, I see them as equals. However, Dumbledore does exhibit his abilities a hell of a lot more than Gandalf does. Gandalf uses his power sparingly, but awesomely.
This. And Pectus nailed it.
What makes Dumbledore great has nothing to do with his magical powers.
The people who are talking about Dumbledore's death have no idea what they are talking about.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:15 pm to Pectus
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Here's the deal. If we talk about the better wizard we can only do so in relation to other wizards.
No one has challenged this yet. Until they can, Dumbledore is the more powerful wizard by default.
Dumbledore was dis-armed by Draco Malfoy and killed by Severus Snape and stayed dead.
Gandalf died destroying a Balrog of Morgoth and came back turbocharged.
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:21 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Dumbledore was dis-armed by Draco Malfoy and killed by Severus Snape and stayed dead.
Either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you are really fricking dumb.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:24 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you are really fricking dumb.
Really?
Enlighten me in to which part of my post is not true?
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:26 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Enlighten me in to which part of my post is not true?
All of it
He knew it was coming bruh, he let them, he even instructed Snape to do it.
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:28 pm to fouldeliverer
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All of it
He knew it was coming bruh, he let them, he even instructed Snape to do it.
So that makes what I said not true?
He knew it was coming, there was nothing he could do about it but change who actually did the deed.
If you want to get technical, he died because his dumbass put on a cursed ring.
Gandalf had the same opportunity and was smart and strong enough to pass.
This post was edited on 5/3/11 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:31 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I think Gandalf would destroy Dumbledore but the reasons you gave aren't valid points as to why.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:33 pm to fouldeliverer
quote:All of which could be said of Gandalf.
Dumbledore planned his own death and continued to influence an entire war after he left this world. He knew what was to come and literally fashioned its outcome to his liking. He sacrificed himself for the greater good.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:42 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Green Chili Tiger
I was right. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:44 pm to fouldeliverer
Gandalf is the kind of wizard that would have come down out of the sky and given magic to the first wizards walking around in the Harry Potter universe. Gandalf is understated in the sense that he would close his eyes and tap his staff to stone and Dumbledore's magic abilities would be removed. Dumbledore is a man that became a wizard. Gandalf is magic that became a man. Just my opinion.
P.S. Those thinking that Gandalf didn't plan every single step of his adventure really don't understand his role in the tale. Gandalf was the tool that moved the whole of middle earth and removed the phyisical presence of evil forever, ended the time of the elves as was foretold, and allowed the time of man to begin.
P.S. Those thinking that Gandalf didn't plan every single step of his adventure really don't understand his role in the tale. Gandalf was the tool that moved the whole of middle earth and removed the phyisical presence of evil forever, ended the time of the elves as was foretold, and allowed the time of man to begin.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:44 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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I was right. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I asked you to enlighten me.
I guess it's just easier to make vague rebuttals than to explain.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 1:46 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you are really fricking dumb.
He does have a really good point about Draco disarming him. If Dumbledore underestimated Draco and he murdered him straight after he disarmed, then he would have been pwned. Gandalf on the otherhand would have never been disarmed by Draco.
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