re: Avenger: AoU Reviews (**MAJOR SPOILERS**)

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My problem with the whole Avengers is that the threat never really feels real. Does anybody ever doubt that they won't get the job done? Or that one of the heroes will die? 

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One of the heroes did die. And they're gearing up to kill 3 more of them in the next phase of the movies.

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but his whole plan was to lift a square mile patch of city above the earth and drop it? Come on. 

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You do a meteor a mile wide would kill all life on earth right? That's not a comic book thing that's real life science.

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here, Thor and Hulk alone could've handled Ultron, probably just Hulk.

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Ultron beat the ever living shite out of Thor and Vision, was made of pure solid badass captain America shield metal, and had the blasting powers of Iron Man. No, they couldn't of handled him themselves.

Maybe Hulk, because he's Hulk, but if they bothers you then you should quit watching comic book movies. He's the Hulk. And Avengers 2 was the absolute best screen adaptation of the Hulk ever.

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Wasnt just the beginning, there were bad spots throughout the movie. With the budget they can command, there is no excuse for bad CGI. 

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I kind of agree, but they do give the director and CGI department a budget. And the last half hour fight scene was fricking amazing. I assume that ate up most of their time and budget. The rest must've been consumed with Hulk's rampage and fight with IM

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AoU literally had 0 tension

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Can you expound on this before I respond. I isn't really get what you're saying.

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Loved the comedy, and as I said before that is an accurate portrayal of highly trained teams who trust each other in tense situations. 

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He never felt like a high level villain.

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See I disagree here too. For the first time I thought he gave the Avengers a run for their money. In the first Avengers, there was never doubt in my mind that they'd win. They smashed the hell out of the alien tech at the end of the movie pretty effortlessly and there wasn't one cohesive villain. Loki was kind of the man behind the mask but he was never ever a legitimate threat to anything.

Ultron on the other hand best the shite out of every avenger he faced. IM, CA, Thor, Quicksilver. He was a beast. I very much enjoyed his character.

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Any thoughts on my diatribe regarding the AI in the scepter? 

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Can you repost it?

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Can you expound on this before I respond. I isn't really get what you're saying.

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Slight rewording of an earlier post of mine.

Because of the future movies, we know ahead of time who will live through it for sure. Ultron as a character was wasted because of this. He is one of the biggest bads in the MU, yet in the end after his army was gone he wilted under the power of Thor, IM, and Vision. I wish they would have let him put up a stronger and longer fight. If not there then....somewhere. A scrappier scrap, I needs it. It felt like what it is, a transitional movie with just enough tension to make sitting through it worth the ride. Though the Scarlet Witch did far, far, far, far more than Ultron to move the MCU along in the movie. She was the catalyst for everything.

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Can you repost it?

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Wish SW would have told them what she knew about the work HYDRA was doing on the scepter. How did they know what to look for without Starks hologram tech? Would also have liked to know what the AI was within the Scepter. Not sure how to put this. That AI created Ultron, but through a Jarvis and Stark filter. I guess that is the best way to put it? Obviously the AI was created by Thanos, or a minion. Since the scepter originated with him.

Anyone who thinks the AI was not, at least partially in Ultron, missed that Ultron knew an infinite stone was in the staff. Only way he could have known was if the AI from the staff was still a part of him. Did the AI protocols left in Ultron keep him from breaking out the infinite stone until a weapon was developed to use it properly?

Was it the AI that controls minds, and just lets the holder think it gives them control but keeps it for Thano? Or is it a conduit to focus and guide the power of the infinite gem through the scepter? Defining the scepter's powers for the user. Such as mind control and everything else.



Reposting another thought too:

I am assuming Theta protocol in Agents of Shield was the carrier and manpower Fury showed up with.

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Thanos imprisoned the AI within the scepter to do his bidding and control the infinity gem.

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The AI copied itself to create Ultron . It didnt leave the Scepter. Which tells me that it still had a plan or protocol. It is possible the plan was to control the new AI, or fully download itself. So that it could personally remove the infinite gem for Thanos. Which also implies that Stark's tech was the only thing on the planet that was powerful enough to handle his programming. What became Ultron was a tool, but changed with his interaction with Jarvis. When he kept talking about strings, Ultron could have been referring to either, or both, the AI around the stone and Thanos. Later on, Ultron destroying it for the gem was a product of Ultron's malfunction.

Also, how could Ultron use the scepter as a non human without a brain to guide thoughts? I have 2 ideas to hash this out from my end.

1)By using the part of him that remained from the original copy of the AI, when touching the scepter, to interact with the original AI via the scepter.

2)The other idea is that he is under the illusion he can use it, when in fact he isnt controlling anyone, but something else is. We can make this leap because the Gem and SW are in the same realm of powers. She cant read Ultron's mind because he was a non flesh entity, which also means he cannot project thought to control someones will. So how can he control another human? Refer to point 1A below.

All of this also begs the question. Why couldn't Ultron, a copy of the AI using the gem, use it before building the Vision body?(1A) He didnt need the gem to power it, but enhance it. So was he a neutered version, originally designed to obey the AI's commands? Or was it the primitive human tech that cut him off from his full abilities? or 1A

The reason I think the AI is a bigger story than they acted in the movie post Ultron, is Thanos. His reaction and statement are indicative of someone else failing. Saying I will do it myself means someone else failed, because if it was HIS plan. The wording would have been different. He would have already been doing it himself if it was his plan.

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I don't think they did. They only figured out how to limitedly harness some of the power of the infinity gem within

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It wasnt the gem HYDRA was after, I dont think they even realized one was in there. Scarlet Witch somehow knew/hoped what Stark would do with it based on his motivations and whatever she knew of HYDRA's work. Whatever she needed/wanted him to do was part of what HYRDA was working on. No one on earth knew the gem was in there. Not even Thor. If you look when he is walking through the warehouse toward the scepter, there are half built robots everywhere. Which later became the beginning of Ultron's army. They knew it was an AI.


1A: I am really starting to like my theory that the AI allows the holder of the scepter an illusion of control as long as that user's actions fits Thanos' plan. It is what actually controls minds. It has neuropathways whereas Ultron has hardware.

I rather enjoyed the film. Spader knocked it out of the park for me.

Nothing confirmed, but multiple hints and rumors as well as a comment by Wheden

Hopefully it will answer some of the missing elements. The beginning in particular. I did catch something that Scarlet Witch said about Tony Stark that explains a little more about Tony's mindset in the movie. She said "I knew it would control him" or something like that. That's why she let him take the scepter. It sounds like there's some Lord of the Rings elements going on with the stones. After thinking about it, it made me more at ease about some of the decisions Tony made.

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If she did mean the scepter.

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I'm pretty sure Quicksilver asked her why she let Stark have the scepter and she said because she knew it would control him.

ETA: But I do see what you're saying. I don't think the stones all out control people, but they can sway judgement quite a bit. As far as why Thanos gave the scepter to Loki, I kind of just write that off as a reason to save Thanos for the final battle. Loki was a minion of Thanos, so Thanos gave him a weapon to use to take over the world. I don't think about it much more than that. Did Thanos have this master plan to corrupt Tony, I don't know. They haven't answered any of those questions. One can only..............."assume".

Read my ETA. I'm more talking about the concerns I had with some of the decisions Tony made in the movie.