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re: Avenger: AoU Reviews (**MAJOR SPOILERS**)
Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:07 am to abellsujr
Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:07 am to abellsujr
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Read my ETA. I'm more talking about the concerns I had with some of the decisions Tony made in the movie.
Go read mine. We are talking too fast for each other.
I know what you mean though. Does make Tony feel more comfortable. Makes me wonder if what I will call "the blight", from here on out. Will play in the Civil War motivations, if at all.
edit: I havent slept in 25 hours. Just realized I am acting like a dog with a rope trying to get someone to play tug of war. I am almost acting manic.
Time to drop it. 
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:53 am to Dr. Shultz
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Also Thor's whole disappearance and getting the old scientist guy was pointless unless they are trying to integrate him into the whole avengers science team (which he was apart of at the end). He literally just flys with him to that secret cave with the "mystical waters to help one recall dreams". And that's his only purpose.
Then they don't show us what Thor sees from the dream thats important. Just someone telling him "OMG EVERYONE WILL DIE!!!" and then he flys back super shocks the cradle which is creating Vision. Of course normally you would think that would destroy whatever he is hitting but I guess he knew it would actually finish the last uploading and creation of Vision.. Then he says some stuff about how "The soul gem is evil and will wreck chaos. So let's make it this thing and hope it picks our side!".
The doctor knew where Thor needed to go.
The vision was of the infinity gems. (these have been a central story now for the last couple of movies)
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:01 pm to Napoleon
jesus why are these threads always filled with one guy defending why he didn't like the movie?
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:02 pm to Napoleon
Since I'm sure that you're referring to me, I will go ahead and say that I did like the movie.
ETA: I guess you didn't read that part.
ETA: I guess you didn't read that part.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:10 pm to Breesus
What is interesting about Veronica/Hulkbuster is that Banner designed it with Stark (recall their discussion as they were debating using the AI to create Ultron)
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:21 pm to udtiger
I like that SW can counter the effects of the Mind Stone. This will be important in IW.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:14 pm to abellsujr
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The problem is that Ultron was created in the first place
Start didn't create Ultron. Did you watch the movie?
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:14 pm to theunknownknight
Did you read the thread?
quote:
OK. Tony started the process in building Ultron. It was his intention to finish the process. Whether he finished it himself or not, that was his intention.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:35 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:It was a foreign AI program that Stark wants to develop and put in a machine that controls itself which could easily destroy the Avengers and the world. To say it was a risk is a huge understatement.
The Sceptor isn't Chitari and Stark knows that.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:02 pm to abellsujr
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but he has never made a bad decision like this. It's stupid. It's a stupid arse decision. Tony has always been smarter than that. And yes I agree that he is trying to get out of being a superhero, but that is not who he use to be and I don't like that direction. That is all.
Tony Stark almost tanks his entire company in the first 20 minutes of Iron Man because he mentions in public that a successful weapons company shouldn't make weapons anymore.
I think you've missed Tony's selfish, knee jerk reaction to, well, nearly everything over the past 7 years. Again, not the narrative's fault.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:04 pm to Freauxzen
You should read the entire thread. I covered that.
quote:Also, I answered why I believe he made some of his decisions.
I agree that that was Tony's intention in this movie, but I never saw Tony trying to use AI that couldn't be controlled in previous movies. JARVIS has always been under Tony's control. It wasn't just a regular mistake, IMO. It was a mistake that a only a moron could make, IMO. You can argue all you want about Tony's history and what have you, but making an AI program out of something he knew very little about was a HUGE, careless, and stupid mistake (and sure enough). And that's something I haven't seen Tony do since before he became Iron Man. And even that didn't have apocalyptic repercussions like this one did.
quote:
I did catch something that Scarlet Witch said about Tony Stark that explains a little more about Tony's mindset in the movie. She said "I knew it would control him" or something like that. That's why she let him take the scepter. It sounds like there's some Lord of the Rings elements going on with the stones. After thinking about it, it made me more at ease about some of the decisions Tony made.
quote:This is the last I will comment on it. You guys have fun.
I don't think the stones all out control the people who wield them, but they can sway judgement quite a bit.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:09 pm to abellsujr
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You should read the entire thread. I covered that.
Yeah you're still a bit wrong about Tony. You may not like him, but his character has been well developed.
quote:
I did catch something that Scarlet Witch said about Tony Stark that explains a little more about Tony's mindset in the movie. She said "I knew it would control him" or something like that. That's why she let him take the scepter. It sounds like there's some Lord of the Rings elements going on with the stones. After thinking about it, it made me more at ease about some of the decisions Tony made.
That's better.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:12 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I also want to add that damn, this movie had a ton of destruction. I couldn't help but think about all the criticisms that MOS received. Will those same posters criticize this film? Or is it simply ok for the avengers to obliterate a city? Can someone explain this one to me (and not you freauxzen )
It's ok, I understand you don't want to lose the argument.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:12 pm to abellsujr
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So instead he almost causes the world to end himself? The Tony Stark I remember is smarter than that.
Are you remembering a comic book version of Stark?
The MCU Stark has been reckless as hell the entire time. He's always flying by the seat of his pants and doing things w/o thinking it through.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:18 pm to Baloo
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Besides, focusing on Tony Stark misses the real character they don't know what to do with: Thor. WTF was that stuff in the pool? Why does he essentially say "I'm going to leave this movie for 30 minutes to set up my next sequel no one really wants"? The movie knows what to do with Cap and Iron Man. It's lost with Thor.
Apparently most of the stuff that was cut when they edited the movie down was Thor's quest.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:41 pm to Dr RC
Great movie...vision and Ultron were awesome
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:44 pm to Dr RC
I thought it was okay..
Ultron was forced, and could have been so much more. Would have liked to see some screen time before he turned bad. Building an army of putty patroller robot versions of himself is redundant to their first Avengers, and the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
With the resources he had available you'd think he'd have more than one version of himself that at least take down Scarlett Johannson.
I really enjoyed the twins, especially Scarlett Witch. Olsen did a great job. Also liked the character stories of Hawkeye and Banner. Everything else had its moments, but I thought was more or less meh
Ultron was forced, and could have been so much more. Would have liked to see some screen time before he turned bad. Building an army of putty patroller robot versions of himself is redundant to their first Avengers, and the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
With the resources he had available you'd think he'd have more than one version of himself that at least take down Scarlett Johannson.
I really enjoyed the twins, especially Scarlett Witch. Olsen did a great job. Also liked the character stories of Hawkeye and Banner. Everything else had its moments, but I thought was more or less meh
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:56 pm to NorthShoreTiger44
Just got back (clearly), here's my take:
Very good. Slightly better than Avengers 1, had a great tone and overall pushed the story forward just enough. It was a great time in the theater. Just enough jokes to keep it light. The action was well done (although with some sometimes too obvious CGI, but them's the breaks to get a real Cap flying around). Ultron as a good villain, not better than Loki, but certainly better than most. Loved all of the new characters.
Main Comments:
1) It did feel a little set piece oriented, that is the point, action to action to action scene. I never felt the drag that some mention, I often felt too rushed.
2) Vision was fantastic. Really enjoyed Bettany, although they should probably be more clear about just what he can do
3) Thor- WTF? (High hopes now for extended. Although I have my doubts.)
4) All the usuals were solid - Evans in particular though. And that's not homerism. I also do love the ability to drop in Cheadle for 10 mins. of screen time and Hill, etc.
5) Was let down by the end because Cap and Stark were too chummy. They needed that rift now, but I guess we'll get that in the opening moments of Civil War.
Biggest Issue:
Whedon is too smart for his own good. Just like Avengers, he creates this super great experience hits all the right notes on characters and stories and gets a lot out of the source material while burying his true intentions inside of the film a little too deep. AoU has a big undercurrent of where we come from, how we grow and change (evolve - Ultron's word), and even parenthood. The film has all these great moments from Ultron's speeches (including the final with Vision), to Banner and Widow, to Clint's extended story, to Cap's needs and final acceptance, to the orphans. I mean even on the surface- Ultron's fears come from Stark, he is Stark's child...motherless child, but a child nonetheless.
The problem is that what Whedon wants to say is going to be missed by most because some don't want to see it, and others won't. That's kind of sad, even when it's in your face at the end when "Mother and Father" have to whip some kids into shape.
I wish he would have pushed that a little more, made it a little more obvious, but that's not the case. So that whole theme will generally get missed.
Very good. Slightly better than Avengers 1, had a great tone and overall pushed the story forward just enough. It was a great time in the theater. Just enough jokes to keep it light. The action was well done (although with some sometimes too obvious CGI, but them's the breaks to get a real Cap flying around). Ultron as a good villain, not better than Loki, but certainly better than most. Loved all of the new characters.
Main Comments:
1) It did feel a little set piece oriented, that is the point, action to action to action scene. I never felt the drag that some mention, I often felt too rushed.
2) Vision was fantastic. Really enjoyed Bettany, although they should probably be more clear about just what he can do
3) Thor- WTF? (High hopes now for extended. Although I have my doubts.)
4) All the usuals were solid - Evans in particular though. And that's not homerism. I also do love the ability to drop in Cheadle for 10 mins. of screen time and Hill, etc.
5) Was let down by the end because Cap and Stark were too chummy. They needed that rift now, but I guess we'll get that in the opening moments of Civil War.
Biggest Issue:
Whedon is too smart for his own good. Just like Avengers, he creates this super great experience hits all the right notes on characters and stories and gets a lot out of the source material while burying his true intentions inside of the film a little too deep. AoU has a big undercurrent of where we come from, how we grow and change (evolve - Ultron's word), and even parenthood. The film has all these great moments from Ultron's speeches (including the final with Vision), to Banner and Widow, to Clint's extended story, to Cap's needs and final acceptance, to the orphans. I mean even on the surface- Ultron's fears come from Stark, he is Stark's child...motherless child, but a child nonetheless.
The problem is that what Whedon wants to say is going to be missed by most because some don't want to see it, and others won't. That's kind of sad, even when it's in your face at the end when "Mother and Father" have to whip some kids into shape.
I wish he would have pushed that a little more, made it a little more obvious, but that's not the case. So that whole theme will generally get missed.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:18 pm to Freauxzen
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Freauxzen
Cant wait for you to get ahold of the AI, Stark, and the general movie conversation on the past few pages.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:31 pm to Javzz
And this may be nitpicky, but the the title irks me. Age of Ultron?? Kind of hard to be an age of someone when like 10 people know you exist.
Ultron was essentially a metal version of Loki with few bone-chilling (but awesome) monologues
Ultron was essentially a metal version of Loki with few bone-chilling (but awesome) monologues
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