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re: Who is the NFL's best WR not named Calvin Johnson?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:10 pm to St Augustine
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:10 pm to St Augustine
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AJ or Marshall are probably the most polished AND athletic... although demayrius has gotten quite good as well. I think dez has the highest ceiling. Fitz would be right up there with a decent team, his route running and hands probably the best. Julio the best athlete after Megatron.
Yea I agree with pretty much all of that. Julio was always a freak, but very raw as a route runner. But, that said, when he was playing this year he looked VERY improved and way more polished. AJ came out very polished and still a great athlete, which is why he made an "easier" transition to the NFL. But physically, Julio is ahead of AJ, and you cant really improve or get better physically. Its God given. And he looked very polished when he played this year, and when he catches up to AJ in his routes and consistency, look out.
And get out of here with that "he was good in 1 playoff game and not consistent" crap. If you watched any of his games when he played this year he was the best WR in the NFL. 41 catches on 60 targets for 580 yards and 2 TDs in 5 games. He was killing it this year.
And ive actually seen a lot of stuff that says Fitz isnt what he was a few years ago. Not just production wise, but actually what he does on the field. His burst, speed, etc are slowing down a lot. When he was in his prime he was great. But, ive read a lot of things that said his injuries have slowed him down a good bit and its been evident over the past 2 seasons. And he isnt getting any younger. Just really feel bad for Fitz. Loyal to a franchise that has been the bottom of the league in terms of wins and offense while he was going through his prime years. Now he looks to be out of his prime, and getting older. Sucks. Did get paid though haha.
Julio does have the highest ceiling and potential. Especially if he gets back to what he was before his injury. He was just beginning to scratch the surface of the type of WR he could be. He always was a physical freak, 1 of the biggest in the NFL, and was becoming very very good at route running and consistency. If he gets it all going, he will be the best WR in the NFL. Hes 1 of the few WRs that can beat you with the deep ball for an 80 yard TD, can take a slant to the house for 60 yards, can take a screen to the house from wherever, and take a reverse for 80 yards to the house. I can only think of Calvin and DT that are doing it right now. But DT is also doing it with Manning, Decker, Welker, and Thomas out there helping him get single coverage. Still awesome and very impressive though.
If Julio comes back 100% healthy from his injury, and can stay healthy he will be the #1 WR in the NFL in the next 3-4 years.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 6:21 pm
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Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:13 pm to genro
how can people still think Fitz is elite?
He got old quick. He just doesn't have the speed anymore to get separation. He's on the wrong side of 30 and just isnt a 1400k WR anymore
He got old quick. He just doesn't have the speed anymore to get separation. He's on the wrong side of 30 and just isnt a 1400k WR anymore
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:13 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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Dez Bryant is not the second best WR in the NFL. Period.
Well if you're going to include Fitz, then Dez warrants attention. He'll never live up to his potential in the wasteland that is Dallas, which isn't a fair shake.
Fitz has already proven he's elite, despite years of mediocrity with shitty quarterbacks. It's sad that the recent memory ingrained in our brains is of John Beck throwing it 15 yards over his head 10 times a game.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:16 pm to KG5989
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AJ came out very polished and still a great athlete, which is why he made an "easier" transition to the NFL. But physically, Julio is ahead of AJ
Where AJ lacks in strength, he makes up for it with his elite ball skills.
Outside of Calvin, there's no WR I'd rather have in a jump-ball situation or situation where he needs to make an acrobatic or one-handed catch.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:20 pm to Mr Harrow
Oh yea i completely agree with that. Thats what I meant by saying he was more polished. His ball skills are awesome.
Julio was so much improved with his route running and ball skills though that he wasa near that AJ level. Sucks that he got hurt so early on because not that many people really got to see how improved he was this year.
Julio was so much improved with his route running and ball skills though that he wasa near that AJ level. Sucks that he got hurt so early on because not that many people really got to see how improved he was this year.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:42 pm to KG5989
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If he gets it all going, he will be the best WR in the NFL.
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Julio does have the highest ceiling and potential.
I hope that you're excluding Calvin from these comments. Also, your posts seem oddly fanboyish of Julio for an lsu fan
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:54 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Well the thread does say not named Calvin.... so yea. But I also said Julio will be the #1 WR in the NFL in 3-5 years,including Calvin. Calvin will be 32 or older.
And yea im a die hard LSU fan. And yea I like Julio. I think hes a really good player with rare freakish talent and ability... whats the problem??
And yea im a die hard LSU fan. And yea I like Julio. I think hes a really good player with rare freakish talent and ability... whats the problem??
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:10 pm to KG5989
Julio was on pace for one of the greatest seasons ever for a WR. When Roddy White got hurt he was getting way more targets and was about to break Calvin Johnsons record from last year. Dez Bryant is the Best in the red zone he is just mean and can't be stopped down there.
Calvin Johnson, Julio and Dez are the top 3.
Calvin Johnson, Julio and Dez are the top 3.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:11 pm to KG5989
Couple things.
I agree with almost everything you said about Julio. Raw talent that's learning the game from Roddy and Tony G. He's #2
He was never the best WR in the NFL this year. He might have lead in stats, but he was never the best.
As long as Calvin Johnson is in the NFL, Julio will always be second fiddle.
I hate this argument. While he gets more single coverage, he gets less targets. Julio got a million targets with Roddy injured.
This will only become true if Calvin's skill declines with age.
I agree with almost everything you said about Julio. Raw talent that's learning the game from Roddy and Tony G. He's #2
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If you watched any of his games when he played this year he was the best WR in the NFL.
He was never the best WR in the NFL this year. He might have lead in stats, but he was never the best.
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If he gets it all going, he will be the best WR in the NFL.
As long as Calvin Johnson is in the NFL, Julio will always be second fiddle.
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But DT is also doing it with Manning, Decker, Welker, and Thomas out there helping him get single coverage.
I hate this argument. While he gets more single coverage, he gets less targets. Julio got a million targets with Roddy injured.
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If Julio comes back 100% healthy from his injury, and can stay healthy he will be the #1 WR in the NFL in the next 3-4 years.
This will only become true if Calvin's skill declines with age.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:11 pm to Patrick_Bateman
My man Bmarsh for sure. He is lethal after the catch. He was easily the second best wide receiver last year with Cutler only throwing for like 225 yards per game. Plus, how can you guys say Dez or Julio or AJ when they have never had a season like Marshall in 2012.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:20 pm to Mr Harrow
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Probably. The numbers would be close to Denver, but Brady is a supreme deep-ball thrower than Manning.
Well that's because Manning is the new and improved Chad Pennington. Pre-surgery Manning was an infinity better deep ball thrower. Brady is actually very average on deep throws.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:21 pm to boom roasted
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I hate this argument. While he gets more single coverage, he gets less targets. Julio got a million targets with Roddy injured.
I agree with that. But, DT also has 80 targets on the year. Top 20 in the NFL still. Its not like hes only seeing a few balls a game. Hes still seeing 9-10 targets a game. And he gets that many targets with single coverage. I mean Welker has 77 and Decker has 76. Its not like there not spreading the ball around. They all get their looks. And its a lot easier to turn that opportunity into a positive play when your in single coverage. Especially for a WR with DT skill set. I mean do you want to be double covered and see 15+ targets a game or do you want to be in single coverage and see 10 targets a game?? Ill take the latter.
And this thread was titled best WR not named Calvin... which is why I said if he gets it going he will be.
O and yea Julio was the best WR in the NFL during the 1st 5 weeks or so of the season. Not just because his stats or anything like that. Everyone knew Roddy was banged up and not what he typically was. Every D focused on stopping Julio. And he torched every team he played.
And yea I said if Julio can stay 100% healthy, he will be the #1 WR in the NFL in the next 3-5 years. Obviously that is due to Calvins age decline. I mean i said that, and then i said Calvin will be 32 or older. Obviously its about his age decline.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:24 pm to KG5989
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And yea I said if Julio can stay 100% healthy, he will be the #1 WR in the NFL in the next 3-5 years. Obviously that is due to Calvins age decline. I mean i said that, and then i said Calvin will be 32 or older. Obviously its about his age decline.
Lulz.
AJ Green is better now, and then he'll have Aaron Dobson to deal with
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:24 pm to Mr Harrow
A. J. Green
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:25 pm to BhamDore
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Julio was on pace for one of the greatest seasons ever for a WR. When Roddy White got hurt he was getting way more targets and was about to break Calvin Johnsons record from last year.
Over what, 4 or 5 games? That's not even a third of the season. Desean Jackson was on pace to break that record too early in the year.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:27 pm to Mr Harrow
I can't believe that AJ Green has not been mentioned more in this thread. Green is the answer.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:29 pm to KG5989
If you could have one WR this year, no injuries, Julio or Calvin?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:29 pm to LSU Piston
he's been in like every postPosted on 11/11/13 at 7:30 pm to Jcorye1
Yea AJ is better now. Read everything I said. AJ Green came in more polished than Julio and transitioned easier because he was more polished. That said, Julios athletic ability and rare talent to go along with his size and speed and freakish burst is above AJ Greens. Players cant really improve their natural god given ability. They have natural limitations. They can improve on things like route running, consistency, etc. Julio is 1 of the biggest freaks in the NFL when it comes to his natural ability. He is 1 of the few players in the NFL with very few natural limitations. And this year he was vastly improved in his ball skills, route running, consistency, etc.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:31 pm to Mr Harrow
Kenny Stills
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