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re: Who are the Sleeping Giants of CFB?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:48 am to KingwoodLsuFan
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:48 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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A&M had their best shot ever to become the best school in Texas and they blew it. They will forever be a mid tier team because of how weird the place is.
It's a pretty hot take but I agree. It's hard to pass off all the weird shite aggies do as "cool." Add in the fact that there are 2 schools in their division that will be bringing in top 5-10 classes every single year for the foreseeable future and I just don't think they will be able to climb the mountain.
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:49 am to Soup Sammich
Minnesota was a national power. Racked up national titles in the 40's. Definitely has the potential to do it again.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:59 am to Team Vote
quote:once again
It's a pretty hot take but I agree. It's hard to pass off all the weird shite aggies do as "cool."
being "weird" has nothing to do with anything. there are 60,000 people who go to a&m. if "weird" had anything to do with anything, a&m wouldnt be one of the largest universities in the entire world. we are people, just like everyone else
quote:this is pretty much where a&m is
Add in the fact that there are 2 schools in their division that will be bringing in top 5-10 classes every single year for the foreseeable future
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:09 am to WestCoastAg
I think the biggest factor in a Sleeping Giant is opportunity. Like, its hard for A&M to rise up because Bama is currently ruling college football, and then you still have power programs throughout the SEC West. You first need to identify the divisions which are ripe to be dominated by a team, which currently aren't:
ACC COASTAL:
Miami is never coming back. At least, not the way they once were. Really, there's no reason why UNC doesn't own this division and cranks out 10 win seasons on the regular. Well, except for the existence of Virginia Tech, who if they can keep their coach, is about to go on a dominant run.
BIG TEN WEST:
Currently controlled by Wisconsin, they don't really have the recruiting footprint to keep this up. They are smartly taking advantage of everyone else's stupidity. Nebraska and to a lesser extent, Iowa, are former powers who likely will not achieve their previous heights due to recruiting footprint. The team that is sleeping here is Illinois. They are right by Chicago, have some history, plenty of money, and border a lot of talented players. Illnois could own this division, given that the Michigan/Ohio St/Penn St axis is all out east.
PAC 12 NORTH
Washington just woke up. It's for real.
SEC EAST
Why does this division suck so much? Because Tennessee can't get their act together. And I know people talk about their difficult recruiting footprint, but they have ties to both Memphis and the Virginia shore, two huge hotbeds. I don't buy that excuse at all. Tennessee has all of the resources to be Alabama, but have just been too incompetent to take advantage.
ACC COASTAL:
Miami is never coming back. At least, not the way they once were. Really, there's no reason why UNC doesn't own this division and cranks out 10 win seasons on the regular. Well, except for the existence of Virginia Tech, who if they can keep their coach, is about to go on a dominant run.
BIG TEN WEST:
Currently controlled by Wisconsin, they don't really have the recruiting footprint to keep this up. They are smartly taking advantage of everyone else's stupidity. Nebraska and to a lesser extent, Iowa, are former powers who likely will not achieve their previous heights due to recruiting footprint. The team that is sleeping here is Illinois. They are right by Chicago, have some history, plenty of money, and border a lot of talented players. Illnois could own this division, given that the Michigan/Ohio St/Penn St axis is all out east.
PAC 12 NORTH
Washington just woke up. It's for real.
SEC EAST
Why does this division suck so much? Because Tennessee can't get their act together. And I know people talk about their difficult recruiting footprint, but they have ties to both Memphis and the Virginia shore, two huge hotbeds. I don't buy that excuse at all. Tennessee has all of the resources to be Alabama, but have just been too incompetent to take advantage.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:22 am to Baloo
I agree with all this except Tennessee. No real talent in the state outside of Memphis. And several big schools are closer and have as much or more of a foothold in Memphis than UT. When UT was good they were nationally recruiting, mostly because several top programs were in the dumps. i see them and Nebraska as similar. They dont have the talent base and are dependent on national recruiting. Thats doable but hard to sustain.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:46 am to RocketPower13
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Texas, Southern California, Notre Dame, Penn St., Miami, Nebraska if they could ever recruit today's players to Lincoln, NE.
Penn State just won the Big10; USC just won the Rose Bowl and will be preseason Top 2...and finished in the Top 5 last year...Penn State Top 10.
How are these giants "sleeping?"
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:58 am to Soup Sammich
TCU
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:59 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
we are people, just like everyone else
you know that is not true.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:06 pm to Team Vote
The "cool" thing is kind of irrelevant because we haven't had a problem attracting good recruiting classes despite being pretty mediocre on the field. We are getting top 10-15 ish classes every year despite going 8-5
If Texas gets it going under Herman then that becomes a huge problem for us, and we certainly squandered a big opportunity these last few years with them so down.
If you look at when our enrollment really took off, a lot of those folks are starting to come into a lot of money now as far as where they are in their careers. Add in the oil boom plus the SEC move and it was the perfect storm for fundraising. Now we need a coaching staff that can take advantage of it
If Texas gets it going under Herman then that becomes a huge problem for us, and we certainly squandered a big opportunity these last few years with them so down.
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Why didn't do they shell out the $$ in the past though?
If you look at when our enrollment really took off, a lot of those folks are starting to come into a lot of money now as far as where they are in their careers. Add in the oil boom plus the SEC move and it was the perfect storm for fundraising. Now we need a coaching staff that can take advantage of it
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:11 pm to CapperVin
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You are pulling teams straight out of your arse. Ole Miss?
Yep.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
As far as sleeping giants though I'm not sure you could ever classify us as having been a giant. We are more a program with a lot of potential that's never truly fulfilled it.
Miami certainly fits for the OP. They need to really get behind the program though to wake it up. UGA is a good answer as well as Tennessee.
Miami certainly fits for the OP. They need to really get behind the program though to wake it up. UGA is a good answer as well as Tennessee.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:14 pm to AlonsoWDC
I think people overestimate how poorly Tennessee stacks up in recruiting production compared to other southern states, but it is absolutely true that Tennessee has to work harder for Memphis recruits.
Memphis is closer to Tulsa than it is to its state's flagship campus.
Memphis is closer to Tulsa than it is to its state's flagship campus.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:53 pm to SoDakHawk
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Minnesota was a national power. Racked up national titles in the 40's. Definitely has the potential to do it again.
Not unless Trump brings back segregation and southern schools go white-only.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:24 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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If Texas gets it going under Herman then that becomes a huge problem for us, and we certainly squandered a big opportunity these last few years with them so down.
If the big 12 blows up it will be interesting to see how that impacts recruiting in Texas. Especially since it's the recruiting base for about every big 12 school.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:57 pm to Soup Sammich
Georgia and Texas should be way, way better than they are. There is absolutely no excuse for Georgia to be this bad. Kirby's first recruiting class is promising though.
UCLA should also be way better than they are.
UCLA should also be way better than they are.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 4:08 pm to Soup Sammich
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-Ole Miss- would hate this one also but I see the potential.
Dude, they have been cheating like no other school has before and all they could do is finish 16-16 in the SEC during that period. If the NCAA hammer falls like it should they will be dead for years. There is zero potential there save cheating.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 4:10 pm to DollaChoppa
If either NC State or UNC could ever lock down in-state talent, it could be one of the two...unfortunately, the top guys in this state are getting offers from the Clemson, Alabama's (and even Stanford/Oregon) before they're getting them from some of the in-state schools.
But, if someone could get it done consistently in recruiting, they could be the sleeping giant.
NC State has the advantage in facilities and environment that rivals that of anyone (except Clemson) in the ACC.
UNC has the advantage of playing in the weaker division and an appeal that can sometimes be more attractive, mainly because of the basketball history.
But, if someone could get it done consistently in recruiting, they could be the sleeping giant.
NC State has the advantage in facilities and environment that rivals that of anyone (except Clemson) in the ACC.
UNC has the advantage of playing in the weaker division and an appeal that can sometimes be more attractive, mainly because of the basketball history.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:37 pm to brg0320
Tennessee
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:38 pm to Soup Sammich
Giants that used to be awake, are now asleep, but should wake up again: Georgia, Florida, Miami, LSU and Texas
Schools that have never been a giant but could grow into a giant: maybe aTm. Nobody else IMO.
Schools that have never been a giant but could grow into a giant: maybe aTm. Nobody else IMO.
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