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re: When college football champions are finally determined through playoffs...

Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:02 pm to
Posted by LaBornNRaised
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Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:06 pm to
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No, Florida was the better team all along


Yet Georgia beat them
Posted by noonan
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:06 pm to
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No, Florida was the better team all along. If not, why isn't USCe better than UGA? 


More losses in the same number of games?



I understand your argument, though. But it really is the biggest flaw with college football.
Posted by bomber77
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:07 pm to
I totally agree with this. 10 teams in a conference is ideal IMO.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:09 pm to
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Yet Georgia beat them


No think Arkansas was better than LSU in 2007?

Florida played a much tougher schedule than UGA, i put more stock into that than the one head to head game.

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More losses in the same number of games?


but a vastly unequal schedule. USCe had to play UGA, LSU and Florida in consecutive weeks.
This post was edited on 12/1/12 at 11:11 pm
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:09 pm to
FBS College football is the only sport in the known universe where you can win every game and not be THE CHAMPION. Any "new system" that doesn't change that is a complete and total joke.

This post was edited on 12/1/12 at 11:12 pm
Posted by bomber77
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:17 pm to
I agree with this 100%
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:18 pm to
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Will everyone look back and laugh at how stupid the BCS was?

why? how many years do you want to argue best team and championships?

compare that to the old system

and a 4 or 8 team playoff has major issues in itself
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:20 pm to
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FBS College football is the only sport in the known universe where you can win every game and not be THE CHAMPION. Any "new system" that doesn't change that is a complete and total joke.

no legit system in CFB could outright guarantee this scenario
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:21 pm to
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Until they make it an 8 team playoff I don't think it will be the best it can be.

you say this, but then when teams start getting fricked at 8-14 or so, you'll say it needs to be 16

the more slots you open, the wider the net of teams who will be left out
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:21 pm to
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FBS College football is the only sport in the known universe where you can win every game and not be THE CHAMPION. Any "new system" that doesn't change that is a complete and total joke


A 4 team playoff would catch all the deserving teams that go undefeated. There is way to much disparity between the top leagues and the bottom, it probably should be split.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:22 pm to
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no legit system in CFB could outright guarantee this scenario


12 or 16 team playoff every conference champion makes it. Easy as pie.
Posted by noonan
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:22 pm to
It is a fricking joke of a season when LSU plays Florida, South Carolina, aTm, then bama in a 4 game stretch and bama only plays LSU and aTm separated by a couple of games. That's no way to determine a conference champion.

Round Robin really is the only fair solution.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:24 pm to
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Leaving a ninth team out of a playoff is WAAAAAYYYY less of an injustice than leaving the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th.

completely wrong. it's the same thing. each playoff spot means the same as every other spot
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:26 pm to
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12 or 16 team playoff every conference champion makes it.

i said a legit system
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:29 pm to
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No think Arkansas was better than LSU in 2007?


Except that is a completely different situation. While we're on it though, that was a fantastic game.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:33 pm to
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ompletely wrong. it's the same thing. each playoff spot means the same as every other spot


no he's right. The further away from the top you get, the weaker the argument. No matter how many teams you have in a playoff, the next team will bitch. Using that as a reason against any kind of playoff is the ultimate red herring.

The last 2 years the BCS has broken down. Last year we get a team that played a dog shite schedule, doesn't so much as win their division get in because of the "eyeball" test and because they play in a conference that produced the previous 5 champs.

This year we get an SEC CG with the 2 teams that had the easiest SEC schedule playing for a trip to the BCS CG. Mean while, what is probably the best team is stuck playing in the Fiesta Bowl and the team with the best resume is in the Sugar. 14 teams has created in conference schedule disparity.

The BCS works when we have Texas and USC. Auburn and Oregon. That's what it was designed for, literally.
This post was edited on 12/1/12 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:34 pm to
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12 or 16 team playoff every conference champion makes it.


Hell no. A three or four loss team has no business playing for a national championship. Hell, if that format was in place right now, a five loss Wisconsin team would be in the playoff while a team like Texas A&m would fall short. I mean it sounds like a good idea in theory but it really is not.
Posted by brad8504
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 11:43 pm to
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now the fact that a piece of shite wisconsin team is about to be a BCS team, stuff like that is ridiculous



Therein lies the problem. The Big Ten wanted this conference championship game. CCGs make money. But for the Big Ten, they were willing to pay fans $75 to attend the game. Pretty ridiculous for a conference with such rich history. The BCS is the problem. When you have a format that is catered to the elite, problems will arise. The Big East tanked after Miami and VT left the conference.

2005-2006: Florida State was 8-4 and #22. Lost to Penn State in the Orange Bowl.

2010-2011: UConn was 8-4 and unranked. Lost to Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

Both of those were conference champions, yet they earned a spot in a BCS Bowl because of the way the system is designed. I understand the bowls are a huge part of college football, but stuff like this is bound to happen from time to time.


I'd rather see a contraction in the FBS--just like Saban wants. The gap between the haves and have-nots in major college football is widening as conferences continue to grow in membership. Hell, you could give the mid-majors a relegation league of some sort to make it somewhat interesting.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:06 am to
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what is probably the best team


Which team is that?
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