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re: WA Post with some damning evidence about Michigan
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:22 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:22 pm to RLDSC FAN
If Michigan left a paper trail that’s a real blow to the posters who said this was a rogue staff member.
Michigan might get hit pretty hard if this is true. This gives me saints bountygate vibes. Everyone knows it’s happening everywhere, but Michigan is going to be the example.
Michigan might get hit pretty hard if this is true. This gives me saints bountygate vibes. Everyone knows it’s happening everywhere, but Michigan is going to be the example.
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:23 pm to MJackson
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no one who watches CFB thinks that any of those teams actually was going to beat this UM team w/ 17 potential draft picks
And yet Michigan felt they still needed to cheat - I guess they don’t watch cfb.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:24 pm to TigerDat
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Of course they may have to vacate it but everyone would know who won it even if vacated. Brings big money to the conference, they don't have to give it back.
I don’t know the CFP bylaws, but is this certain? I could see other conferences raising a shitstorm if a team/conference got a playoff payday under the cloud of a known cheating scandal and kept the money.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:26 pm to Peter Venkman
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do you really need to fund that for Rutgers or Northwestern? You’re Michigan, after all.
Well, they were coming off a two win season, one of those wins being a 3OT effort against Rutgers. Probably made them a little nervous.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:29 pm to Damone
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They should forfeit the rest of the season
Nah, but they should forfeit all 2021 and 2022 games.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Basic question…why is scouting the opposing teams signs against the rules? They are making the signals in public and anyone could view and try to decode the signs.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:45 pm to lynxcat
1. You can't go to opponents games based on a 1994 rule meant to level the playing field for poorer teams.
2. While being at those games against the rules, you certainly can't video tape the sidelines of the opposing team giving signals.
3. You can't videotape 1 game, let alone have an organized network of people videotaping teams across the country every, single week.
4. When you have a laminated sheet of said hand signals, use that on the first drive of the game, and clearly know a pass is coming, you may have really, REALLY, violated some major rules and gave yourself a significant, game altering, competitive advantage.
2. While being at those games against the rules, you certainly can't video tape the sidelines of the opposing team giving signals.
3. You can't videotape 1 game, let alone have an organized network of people videotaping teams across the country every, single week.
4. When you have a laminated sheet of said hand signals, use that on the first drive of the game, and clearly know a pass is coming, you may have really, REALLY, violated some major rules and gave yourself a significant, game altering, competitive advantage.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:54 pm to RLDSC FAN
The crappy thing about this is that Harbaugh might get fired but he’ll immediately get an NFL job and suffer no real consequences while the players who had nothing to do with it will pay for their coaches cheating.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:57 pm to VABuckeye
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. I believe he will step in under great pressure from the other member schools.
Unless other schools don’t want their own dirty laundry aired out.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:04 pm to RLDSC FAN
This is just embarrassing for CFB. This is taking “cheating” to a level I’m not comfortable with.
Michigan should be banned from the postseason for a couple years IMO. There’s no way Harbaugh survives this.
And if there are other programs going to this length of cheating, I want them sniffed out as well. This is just bad business and really sad.
Michigan should be banned from the postseason for a couple years IMO. There’s no way Harbaugh survives this.
And if there are other programs going to this length of cheating, I want them sniffed out as well. This is just bad business and really sad.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:06 pm to JPLSU1981
The hate for Michigan is absurd.
From another board:
“ But hypothetically, let’s say the worst case scenario is that the evidence concludes UM was illegally scouting opponents.
Doesn’t it go back to breaking down the rule and what the rule is in place for exactly?
It is well known by now, but the rule was enacted in 1994 for a cost cutting measure, and in 2021 it was considered by the NCAA working group for it to be taken completely out of the rule book because of the minimal competitive advantage that is gained from doing so.
Would the punishment really be so severe for gaining what the NCAA admits is a minimal competitive advantage based on the origins of the rule and why it was implemented?
If the rule is more of a cost issue, it would feel like the most appropriate punishment would be a hefty fine as it’s seen to be more of a monetary advantage than anything else.
Just had to get that thought out as people are talking about vacating wins, postseason bans, etc when in reality nobody has any idea of what a punishment could look like for an instance like this.”
From another board:
“ But hypothetically, let’s say the worst case scenario is that the evidence concludes UM was illegally scouting opponents.
Doesn’t it go back to breaking down the rule and what the rule is in place for exactly?
It is well known by now, but the rule was enacted in 1994 for a cost cutting measure, and in 2021 it was considered by the NCAA working group for it to be taken completely out of the rule book because of the minimal competitive advantage that is gained from doing so.
Would the punishment really be so severe for gaining what the NCAA admits is a minimal competitive advantage based on the origins of the rule and why it was implemented?
If the rule is more of a cost issue, it would feel like the most appropriate punishment would be a hefty fine as it’s seen to be more of a monetary advantage than anything else.
Just had to get that thought out as people are talking about vacating wins, postseason bans, etc when in reality nobody has any idea of what a punishment could look like for an instance like this.”
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:06 pm to JPLSU1981
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This is just embarrassing for CFB. This is taking “cheating” to a level I’m not comfortable with.
holy pearl-clutching. relax bud
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:08 pm to Stidham8
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concludes UM was illegally scouting opponents
No one has a problem with merely scouting an opponent as a reasonable person defines scouting.
You can’t steal their signs and playbook though, it’s really sad that a program would even want to or feel the need to do so, much less allocate resources to doing so. Seems desperate and unethical.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:10 pm to Peter Venkman
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but do you really need to fund that for Rutgers or Northwestern? Your Michigan, after all.
It never hurts to practice the entire process against the little guys, so it will work to perfection in the big games.
Also, if they were going to get the maximum benefit from the stolen signs, then their preparation and in-game management throughout the season remain consistent.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:13 pm to Stidham8
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Would the punishment really be so severe for gaining what the NCAA admits is a minimal competitive advantage based on the origins of the rule and why it was implemented?
Being at the game would be at a very minimal competitive advantage, if any at all. Most everyone agrees with that.
Video taping the signs, decoding them based on other available video, and knowing what play is going to be called, isn't what the NCAA even thought about when discussing changing the rule because it is so far beyond the pale.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
Does Harbaugh have a history of criticizing the NCAA the way Dale Brown did when he was LSU's Hoops coach? Sure seems like they watch him like a hawk.
Brown went out of his way to criticize them the way everyone else has for most of the the 21st century. They didn't like it when Brown did it, and it cost LSU Hoops a few times.
Brown went out of his way to criticize them the way everyone else has for most of the the 21st century. They didn't like it when Brown did it, and it cost LSU Hoops a few times.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:19 pm to KosmoCramer
"Notice of allegations" would only be relevant coming from the NCAA. The Big 10 has no such system as I've read in several other places. If not that much of an advantage, why would anyone on the UM staff authorize something so obviously illegal under NCAA guidelines?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:20 pm to OleVaught14
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no one who watches CFB thinks that any of those teams actually was going to beat this UM team w/ 17 potential draft picks And yet, Michigan still felt the need to cheat... Who cares what the fans think if Michigan's own coaches thought they'd lose those games without a substantial competitive advantage.
I Imagine Illinois and Maryland are pretty pissed after losing very close games to Michigan last year. Having their signals probably came in pretty handy during 4th quarter comebacks.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:23 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
No matter what the NCAA and Big10 do, it clearly puts a black eye and asterisk on the public perception of what Michigan has done the last 1-3 seasons.
And honestly they didn’t really do much on the field, but at least it was better than their previous two decades.
They obviously felt they needed it. And I guess it kinda helped
I haven’t confirmed if that pic was real, but There is no reason for a sideline coach to have a laminated page of the opponent’s signals. That’s ridiculous. Like have some respect for the game.
And honestly they didn’t really do much on the field, but at least it was better than their previous two decades.
They obviously felt they needed it. And I guess it kinda helped
I haven’t confirmed if that pic was real, but There is no reason for a sideline coach to have a laminated page of the opponent’s signals. That’s ridiculous. Like have some respect for the game.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:27 pm to JPLSU1981
Gotta love the hypocrisy from Michigan fans who have been sky screaming about tattoos for over a decade. 
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