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re: Should the USA make an all out effort to be great at soccer?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:56 am to SnoopALoop
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:56 am to SnoopALoop
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The U.S. has young talent that the MLS can push and market, but that's their own damn fault for not trying harder.
Takes money to market. MLS is getting more of it because, for some reason, as admitted by Cowherd today, ESPN has decided that it wants to push soccer. Maybe they see it as the future and want to get a stranglehold on the broadcasting of the sport at the ground level. Both ESPN and Fox just inked deals with MLS to show the games.
The more often soccer is shown on national TV, the more interest will be garnered in the sport. The more interest, the more money from advertisements and things like that. The more money, the more MLS will be able to market their players and the sport in general. The more the MLS is able to market, the more interest in the sport will grow and young talent will begin to gravitate toward soccer instead of basketball or football or baseball or hockey. In another 20 years, the MLS will be massive. It already has 19 teams. It has grown by leaps and bounds since its inception.
Teams are beginning to sign deals with foreign stars. Kaka will be playing in the MLS soon. Beckham had his stint here. Julio Cesar will be on loan to Toronto next year. Henry Thierry is with the Red Bulls. Eventually, enough money will be in these clubs to go after elite talent internationally when that talent is in their prime. Between that and our steadily growing homegrown talent, U.S. soccer is taking all the right steps to develop interest in the sport, develop talent, and create a system in which players can thrive.
Will soccer ever be as big as the NFL or NBA or even MLB? Who knows? Probably not the NFL. Will we ever be as good as Brazil or Germany? Who knows? Maybe. We have a population of 300 million people. That's a 100 million more than Brazil and 220 million more than Germany. Do we need soccer to be as big as the NFL in order to compete for World Cup Championships?
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I think Seattle averages something like 40,000/game in attendance.
That's right. The next biggest crowd is 20,000 average. But how about this statistic:
6 of the 19 teams average 100% capacity at their stadiums or more (coincidentally, the San Jose Earthquakes need a new fricking stadium. Wow).
The team average attendance is over 18,000 people (which is obviously skewed a bit because of Seattle).
Comparing this to attendance at baseball games, which gets the most amount of shite by anyone on this board or on the talking head shows *coughCowherdcough*, the lowest average attendance by a team for baseball is 17,000. Even the goddamn Astros draw 22,000 on average.
So Soccer has a ways to go, but it is getting there. It is getting there.
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:28 am to boxcar willie
Haven't read the thread yet but you have three types of muscle fibers.
Slow twitch everyone knows.
What most people refer to as fast twitch is really type 2b. Those are the sprinters, basketball and football players.
The best soccer players are type 2a which is kind of a hybrid of the first two types.
To conclude, different athletes.
Slow twitch everyone knows.
What most people refer to as fast twitch is really type 2b. Those are the sprinters, basketball and football players.
The best soccer players are type 2a which is kind of a hybrid of the first two types.
To conclude, different athletes.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:44 am to BigEdLSU
I think the point is that our best athletes in the US choose other sports. Maybe not necessarily that Lebron or Jordan would be awesome soccer players. I think Honey Badger, Patrick Peterson, etc. would be nasty if they had grown up playing soccer instead of football.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:47 am to secondandshort
Maybe. Maybe not. Soccer is about 90% dependent on coaching/training. Maybe they would awful. Maybe they would be great. All in all, they probably wouldn't be any better than what we have now.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:49 am to boxcar willie
No. Never. frick soccer.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:03 am to wildtigercat93
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that's the attitude that is the problem. There seems to be no sense of urgency. When Russia got into outer space before we did, we changed our whole school system, spent billions of dollars, and made it to the moon in a short time span.
It's fricking soccer man.
I promise there are far more people in the world who care about soccer than who care about the 12 Americans who landed on the moon 40 something years ago.
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To break it down 2 Soccer players in top 10 Ronaldo 80 Mil 52 which is salary/winnings.
He is 2nd Messi also in top 10 64.7 Mil 41.7 Mil is salary/winnings
And neither one of them actually play soccer in the country where they were born.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:10 am to thesoccerfanjax
The two I mentioned are superior raw athletes to what we have now. With the coaching and training from the beginning I think they would be better.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:12 am to secondandshort
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With the coaching and training from the beginning I think they would be better.
No. You're not getting it. We currently don't HAVE the coaching and training to make them any better than anyone we currently have. Plenty of "superior, raw athletes" have sucked total arse (with proper coaching/training) at soccer and plenty more will in the future. We are more "athletic" than most teams we play.
2010 Spain is one of the greatest teams of all time and they did it with a bunch of slow, weak 5'8" guys.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:18 am to secondandshort
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I think the point is that our best athletes in the US choose other sports
Do you think that soccer players for Brazil, Germany, Argentina, etc are the best athletes in those countries? You don' think there are 6'2" 200 lb guys in those countries who can run like the wind and/or jump out of the gym? There are tons of them yet you weren't watching them in the World Cup.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:22 am to htran90
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The highest paid Soccer player makes 6.7mil iirc.
Highest paid US player maybe. I think Ronaldo or Messi makes like $80mil
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:24 am to Boomshockalocka
I'm not saying that every NFL player or every stud athlete would be a good soccer player. But I think NFL, NBA and even MLB to an extent rob the talent pool of what could be the US's best soccer players.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:29 am to secondandshort
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I think Honey Badger, Patrick Peterson, etc. would be nasty if they had grown up playing soccer instead of football.
Exactly, it's not Lebron or Calvin Johnson that would be great, but if Soccer was a legitimate option for guys like Wes Welker, who knows which career path they'll choose in the future. Soccer players play until they are 30+.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:37 am to secondandshort
Of course, the bigger the pool, the better the US will be. But the likelihood of any of those guys playing in the WC is probably a million to one. Just like it is for everyone else.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:38 am to ULSU
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guys like Wes Welker
You mean like Deandre Yedlin?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:30 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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You mean like Deandre Yedlin?
Yeah. Might be good to have more than 1 of him. Or maybe a 6'4" guy who is a touch too short to play in the NBA as a small forward that can box mf'ers out like that big arse Belgian did. Welker is a good bit bigger than Yedlin too.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:35 pm to ULSU
We have several guys 6'4" and taller. Omar Gonzalez is 6'5".
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:37 pm to ULSU
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Might be good to have more than 1 of him
You mean like Fabian Johnson?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:37 pm to thesoccerfanjax
I was a football player. average athelete, senior year i decided to go out for soccer just for the hell of it. I had not kicked a ball since 3rd grade. I made the team and was one of the better players on the team strictly to my athleticism, strength, and aggressiveness from football.
Imo soccer is the easiest sport to pick up on. I became nearly just as good as some guys who played almost their whole lives in the course of a season. and i played for fun
Imo soccer is the easiest sport to pick up on. I became nearly just as good as some guys who played almost their whole lives in the course of a season. and i played for fun
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:38 pm to QJenk
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I was a football player. average athelete, senior year i decided to go out for soccer just for the hell of it. I had not kicked a ball since 3rd grade. I made the team and was one of the better players on the team strictly to my athleticism, strength, and aggressiveness from football.
Imo soccer is the easiest sport to pick up on. I became nearly just as good as some guys who played almost their whole lives in the course of a season. and i played for fun
you probably did punt and run, which plagues american soccer and why we have problems after puberty slows
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